Gaybriel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 2:05pm:


That's was a racist remark 

Grendel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 10:34pm:

Easy there, big fella. You presume I’m passionate about the subject. You, on the other hand, are quite passionate about the issue of MC and I assumed you may have thought out the idea of citizenship revocation.

I don’t know how many countries would be happy to retake misfits from Australia (unless, of course, they are wanted for persecution – and what of a misfit who may face unjust treatment in his previous homeland?), but it doesn’t seem like a viable idea, particularly when their only “crime” is that they didn’t fit in, let alone serious criminals. Also, what about countries that don’t recognise dual citizenship and automatically revoke citizenship when the ex-pat becomes an Australian?

How would Australia defend itself against accusations of racism by the former country when we attempt to deport a misfit for, say, advocating extreme Islamic views (not only not considered a crime in many countries but actually considered a virtue).

You can renounce your citizenship but I reckon nearly all would only do so where they were persecuted or had a good chance of attaining citizenship in (or were a permanent resident of) another country.

Do you know of cases of citizenship revocation, excluding those who gave false statements to attain citizenship, but even then, how is it handled? Is there an international agreement on the issue of repatriation under those circumstances?

The idea seems eccentric and loaded with administrative and political issues that would appear to me to make it hard, if not impossible, to effect. I imagine it would descend into another detention centre fiasco which would be (pardon the pun) a Mecca for local and global protest.

Should Australia be prepared to retake our misfits? What would our reaction be to a violent ex-Australian being repatriated into Australia, I wonder?

But anyway, if criminal extremes are not necessarily the only criteria for “special treatment”, what would be? And how would you measure a new citizen’s integration quotient?

Just a sign of the times.

Cursed children.



2 Peter 2:13
And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14  Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15  Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;



Matthew 13:36
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.



Daniel 12:1
.......and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
........
10  Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.






We live in a world filled with unprecedented violence and injustice.

Most ppl just shrug off these events.

Where is our discernment today, as a society, between good and evil?

Matthew 24:32
Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33  So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34  Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35  Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37  But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38  For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39  And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.





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Today, as a people, we embrace the tolerance of evil, as a virtue!

And no one, none of our 'leaders', will challenge the growing influence of evil in our midst.

Why not?

No one will confront evil, the acceptance of evil by us, is regarded as 'tolerance'.

Those who speak out against the wickedness in our midst, are called 'intolerant', or 'bigots', or 'racists'.

Today, we hate TRUTH, and we love lies.

Speaking TRUTH, has become 'evil'.

And those who speak TRUTH are denigrated, and criticised.

And so, the 'silence' like a cancer spreads, as less and less people are willing to speak out.



And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening
People writing songs that voices never share...
And no one dare
Disturb the sound of silence.

"Fools," said I, "you do not know
Silence like a cancer grows."
"Hear my words that I might teach you,
Take my arms that I might reach you."
But my words like silent raindrops fell,
And echoed in the wells of silence.

And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon gods they made.
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming.
And the sign said: "The words of the prophets
Are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls,
And whisper'd in the sound of silence."
-- Paul Simon, 1963

The "Australia has reached it's capacity" argument has gotta be the stupidest argument I've ever come across. Just admit it, you're racist, xenophobic bigots who don't want foreigners here. If they're white, you won't mind so much, and probably wouldn't even have come up with this dead head argument.

There's plenty of countries around the world, with much smaller land masses than us, much less natural resources, much less arable land, and much much bigger populations. They manage.... And so would we. The idea that our standard of living would drop is more a case of how our society functions than the logistics of how many people are here.

give it a rest mozza, you're not quite as amusing as you'd like to think.

The only racist I see around here throwing mud seems to be you Abu.  You continually talk in colours and only one colour cops the negatives from you.

Helian...  you brought up criminality as an issue for deportation.  I don't think its a bad idea.  Perhaps you'd like to work out the fine details. 

Mozz people can renounce citizenship any time they like.  Some people I have know have come here been naturalised left gone back HOME their citizenship was renounced or waned then a few year later they came back and became naturalised again.

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The law as it stands now.

Oh and I expect that people with dual passports and having had their citizenship revoked would be deported and the other country would have to accept them.