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Reply #15 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 5:56pm
 
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Secondly just where is it that the West are slaughtering Muslims.  i don't recall any western nation going to war and slaughtering a particular religious group.  Not since the nazis anyway.  Put up or shut up Abu  or do we put this down to another Abuism... a lie.


What are the Taliban and the Iraqis?
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Reply #16 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 7:22pm
 
Gee do you think the whole of the West decided to slaughter them because they were Muslims?

I guess YOU do.   Cheesy
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Reply #17 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 7:24pm
 
hey mantra why don't you become a Muslim?
You've got the right mentality for it.

Worried about being slaughtered by the West?
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Reply #18 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 8:01pm
 
It is time for muslims to make up their minds, and choose what side they are on, and who represents them.

When we see muslim clerics pronouncing attacks on terror groups, as attacks on Islam, and muslims everywhere, then we have them aligning themselves with the likes of Al Quaeda, et al.

Yet when they have people accuse muslims of giving support to these types of terror groups, even if only tacitly, then we see, and hear their outraged indignation voiced belligerently.

So, as usual, their lack of structure, and leadership, allows them to make any spurious claim, that suits them at the time, and that is a recipe for promoting cynicism, and mistrust, which is the last thing that they need, when their credibility stocks are already at an all time low.
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Reply #19 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 8:04pm
 
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hey mantra why don't you become a Muslim?
You've got the right mentality for it.


I doubt that I'd make a very good Muslim woman.  What you fail to understand Grendel is that I'm not particularly pro-Muslim, but share quite a few of their political views, which many non-Muslims do - in case you hadn't noticed.

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Gee do you think the whole of the West decided to slaughter them because they were Muslims?


No - you said you didn't recall any western nation going to war and slaughtering a particular religious group.  But that's exactly what happened after 9/11 - suddenly all Muslims were terrorists and not to be trusted.  The US gathered together allies and troops and went hunting for Bin Laden (Muslim) and all those believed to be part of Al Quaeda (all Muslims) which as it turned out to be any Muslim male in Afghanistan who accidentally got in the path of the military.  

Why were so many Muslims locked up in Guantanamo Bay without trial and now they're being released without trial.  Strange that.  Could they possibly have been innocent?

Same with the invasion of Iraq.  An illegal war, lots of lies and propaganda as to why we should bomb Iraq and topple Saddam.  Isn't Iraq predominantly Muslim?  Wasn't Saddam a Muslim?  If they were Christians or Jews we wouldn't have gone in and bombed the guts out of the place and hung their leader.

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Worried about being slaughtered by the West?


Hahaha - certainly less worried about retribution from the evil terrorist Muslims now that Howard and Bush have gone.





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Reply #20 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 8:54pm
 
mozzaok,

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It is time for muslims to make up their minds, and choose what side they are on, and who represents them


Your pathetic echoing of Bush's "Us or them" ultimatum does you no justice mozza.

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When we see muslim clerics pronouncing attacks on terror groups, as attacks on Islam, and muslims everywhere, then we have them aligning themselves with the likes of Al Quaeda, et al.


This is just nonsense. It's akin to saying "If you don't like our attacks on you, then you must be a terrorist, or terrorist supporter". The West has quite clearly been attacking Muslims, physically and ideologically. Not only has the West been waging physical wars, as mentioned above by Mantra, but they've been waging an ideological war also, which involves attacking the belief system of Islam and attempting to incite mistrust and fear against Muslims, and the results can be seen in some of the nutcase posters here. Even if we accept the attack on Afghanistan as a targeted attempt to get rid of someone who attacked America (of which absolutely no evidence was provided), the fact is that tens of thousands of innocent Muslim civilians were the ones who ended up being killed, Bin Laden, the man supposedly already guilty (without trial), has not been killed. Likewise the Taliban had absolutely nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks, and the US government hasn't even declared them a terrorist group, yet so many of them have been attacked and slaughtered, for no reason other than they're Muslims.

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Yet when they have people accuse muslims of giving support to these types of terror groups, even if only tacitly, then we see, and hear their outraged indignation voiced belligerently.


It's purely guilt by association. Hence the perception it's a war against our religion.
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Reply #21 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 9:16pm
 
And you wonder why I think you have NO CREDIBILITY mantra   Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #22 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 9:20pm
 

Why, because she presents clear and rational arguments backed up by facts that you can't refute?
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Reply #23 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 9:28pm
 
As with your rubbish I could waste more time quoting and disproving till the cows come home Abu...  but it bores me s#itless.

easy enough for anyone to google the truth.  So i don't waste my time.
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Reply #24 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 9:38pm
 
Thanks Abu - I appreciate your comments.  Grendel has a way of trying to demean a person until they begin to doubt their own rationale.

He isn't as dumb as he appears, but because he's so "blunt" and impatient, it detracts from any salient points he might be trying to get across and immediately puts you on the defensive.  He's so one-eyed at times, the only "facts" he recognises are his own.
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Reply #25 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 9:49pm
 
Your opinion...  and wrong as usual mantra.
you should doubt yourself.
More people than me tell you so.
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Reply #26 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 10:07pm
 
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Your opinion...  and wrong as usual mantra.
you should doubt yourself.
More people than me tell you so.


It seems to me that more people tell you that you're wrong - not that it matters if people do tell me that I make mistakes.  If it's said politely, I'll go back and review what I've said or apologise - that's never been a big deal to me.

Don't tell me to doubt myself Grendel.  Sometimes I wonder whether you're a sociopath with your indifference and contempt of others.

They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.

Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

And that's only the start.
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Reply #27 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 10:18pm
 
I'm not indifferent.
I worry about you.
And the effect you have on my country.

Do you really need to continue on in this obsessive vein mantra...  i mean every now and then it all becomes just about me and how impolite I am to you...  and how everyone agrees with you etc, etc, etc...
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Reply #28 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 10:32pm
 
Leave out the rudeness and the thread won't get interrupted and we can move on.  I'm not going to accept the cra p you dish out to me and you should know that by now.

I know a lot of people don't agree with me, but you're the one who keeps bringing the subject up - not me.  I don't care if people don't agree with me - I like arguing but on an equal level, not with low life language.
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Reply #29 - Jan 24th, 2009 at 11:17pm
 
DWMT mantra
Youre boring me and everyone else.

I don't bring it up and I don't use lowlife language...  you'd make a good Abu...
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