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King Richard the Lionheart and Third Crusade
Jan 21st, 2009 at 11:16pm
 
The Crusaders stopped en-route at Sicily, where Richard's sister, Joanna, the dowager Queen, was being held captive by her nephew, Tancred, the new King, who was also refusing to return her dowry. Tancred became more amenable when Richard arrived on the scene and when he captured the city of Messina, Tancred was forced to release her. Phillip, outshone by Richard, sulked. He raised the issue of his sister, Alys, who had been betrothed to Richard since childhood. Gossip claimed that Richard refused to marry Alys as she had been seduced by his father and was even rumoured to have borne the late King's child.

The English King informed Phillip that he intended to marry the Princess Berengaria of Navarre, the daughter of Sancho VI of Navarre, whom his mother was escorting to Sicily. Richard and Berengaria had met only once prior to their espousal, at a tournament at Pamplona held by her father. There was little the slighted Phillip could do other than simmer.

The voyage to the Holy Land continued, but the ship carrying Berengaria and Joanna was shipwrecked on the coast of Cyprus in the course of a violent storm. The Cyprians besieged the English survivors of the wreck at Limasoll. A large ammount of treasure, intended for use on the crusade, was appropriated by Isaac Comnenus, the Emperor of Cyprus. Richard dispatched a letter to Isaac, which was arrogantly ignored. Outraged, he unleashed the full force of the famed Plantagenet fury on the unfortunate Isaac. The Cyprian Emperor was overthrown and English governors were set up over the island which was used as a garrison for the crusade.

The English contingent of the Third Crusade arrived at Acre, in the Holy Land, at Whitsun, 1191. Richard's reputation seems to have arrived before him and on 11th of July, the Moslem defenders surrendered the city to the Christian army. Richard, Philip, and Leopold V of Austria, leader of the German contingent to the Crusade, disagreed over the distribution of the spoils of their victory. Richard deeply insulted Leopold when he threw down his standard from the walls of Acre, an action which was to have dire consequences for him in the future. A further cause of dissension among the leaders of the crusade was Richard's support of Guy de Lusignan, King of Jerusalem, while Philip Augustus and Leopold supported his rival for the title, Conrad of Montferrat.

King Phillip Augustus of France was anxious to return home, he did not enjoy being eclipsed by Richard and was piqued at the repudiation of his sister. He set sail for France on 3rd of August , abandoning the Crusade. An exchange of prisoners from Acre was arranged with Saladin, but problems arose in the arrangements. Richard believed Saladin to be creating delays. He consequently ordered the massacre of all the Moslem prisoners. This act of cruelty remains a bloody stain on his reputation.

On 7th September, at Arsuf, the armies of Richard and Saladin clashed in battle. Saladin was forced to retreat. Richard then marched on Jaffa, and began to strengthen it as a garrison for Jerusalem. The army arrived at the foothills of the Holy City on 3rd January, 1192. They were, however, exhausted , short of supplies and sickness was rife in their ranks, and were consequently obliged to return to the safety of the coast.

A truce was negotiated with the Moslems. A superlative general but a poor politician, Richard proposed that Saladin should give the Holy Land to his nephew Saphadin, whom he suggested should marry his sister Joanna, forming a peaceful alliance between Christian and Moslem. The bemused Saladin, unable to believe his luck, accepted. Joanna, however, who possessed the famed family temper in full measure, refused outright to contemplate marriage with a Moslem, resulting in a heated family dispute.

Richard made attempts to negotiate with Conrad of Montferrat, but Conrad, who distrusted him due to his support of Guy de Lusignan, refused. Following an election of the nobles of the kingdom in April, Conrad was unanimously voted as King of Jerusalem, however, before his coronation could take place, he was murdered at Tyre by two Hashshashin. Conrad held his claim to the throne through his marriage to the heiress Isabella of Jerusalem, who just over a week later was married to Henry II of Champagne, the nephew of both Richard and Phillip, (through Eleanor of Aquitaine's first marriage to Louis of France). Rumours circulated that Richard had had some involvement in Conrad's murder.

Richard recieved disquieting news from England, his younger brother John was plotting against him. He made a further approach to Jerusalem but again realised he could not take the city and that he must now urgently return home. Heartened, Saladin then re-took Jaffa. Richard staged a daring counter attack and although heavily outnumbered, put the Moslems to flight. Having negotiated a three year truce, which retained his conquests and gave Christians access to Jerusalem, the King sailed for England.

http://www.englishmonarchs.co.uk/plantagenet_2.htm

Lestat said that Saladin 'allowed' King Richard to leave - as if he was captured or some such rubbish. A treaty was reached, and he returned home. He wasn't 'allowed' to leave.
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Reply #1 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 11:24pm
 
In the spring of 1199, a horde of Roman treasure was discovered by a peasant ploughing a field by Chalus, near Limoges, which was delivered to his lord, Archard of Chalus. Richard, as overlord, claimed the find as his and when it was not forthcoming besieged Chalus with his mercenary captain, Mercadier. On the evening of 26th of March while Richard was walking around the castle directing the siege, an archer, using a frying pan as a shield, fired a crossbow bolt at him from the battlements, he ducked too late and the bolt embedded itself in his left shoulder. In attempting to pull the bolt out, the shaft broke, leaving the iron head in his flesh. A clumsy surgeon working by torch light, although succeeding in removing the arrow head, made the wound far worse and gangrene set in.

When the Castle fell, the archer was brought before Richard, who, aware that he was soon to meet his maker, forgave him, stating "Live on, and by my bounty behold the light of day," he gave orders that he was to be set free and given a hundred shillings.

Richard's devoted mother, Eleanor of Aquitaine, rushed to his side and was with him to the end, he died in her arms on 6th April, 1199. His wife, Berengaria, was not even summoned. Mercadier had the archer sent to Richard's youngest sister, Joanna, who had him flayed alive and torn apart by wild horses.

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Reply #2 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 6:33am
 

Are you exposing the extremism of the Crusaders? Or are you showing your own extremism by being proud of their Crusading ways?
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Reply #3 - Jan 22nd, 2009 at 4:10pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009 at 6:33am:
Are you exposing the extremism of the Crusaders? Or are you showing your own extremism by being proud of their Crusading ways?


The Crusaders were extremists, in their own way. But so were the Muslims. The Muslims didnt belong in the Holy Land, and they didnt belong in Spain, France, the Byzantine Empire, Austria or the Balkans.

I am proud of my real heritage, in the same way you are proud of your pretend adopted heritage re Saladin.
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Reply #4 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 9:05am
 
Calanen wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009 at 4:10pm:
The Crusaders were extremists, in their own way. But so were the Muslims. The Muslims didnt belong in the Holy Land, and they didnt belong in Spain, France, the Byzantine Empire, Austria or the Balkans.


Don't compare the crusaders to the muslims. The muslims didn't eat their victims.

Anyway...this is a ludicrous argument, and really, can be applied equally to Christianity, which to (using your stupid logic) did not belong in the Holy land, Europe, South America, Asia, Africa or the US.

Fact is the muslims had been in the holy land for 300 years when the crusades came along. They ruled over parts of Spain for 800 years, which is far longer the the Jews had in Israel, yet this doesn't stop you from demanding a jewish homeland in Palestine.

The Byzantium's started a war against the muslims (the battle of Tabuk was the first clash between muslims and Byzantiums, in present day Saudi Arabia) and lost, ditto the Persians.

Calanen wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009 at 4:10pm:
I am proud of my real heritage, in the same way you are proud of your pretend adopted heritage re Saladin.


lol...what makes your heritage 'real' and his heritage 'pretend'?

You can deny it all you like, but the fact is until the renaisance...your ancestors were bathing in their own sh(t, and living under the iron fist oppression of the church.

Whilst your ancestors were living in small huts by rivers, mine were living in cities with complex sewerage systems and street lights.

You can try to re-write history all you like, but you can never re-write the truth.

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Reply #5 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 10:06am
 
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Where do you buy that joke book, Muslims and History revisited?
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Reply #6 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 10:07am
 
Grendel wrote on Jan 23rd, 2009 at 10:06am:
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Where do you buy that joke book, Muslims and History revisited?


These are the facts...look them up, you might even learn something, though I doubt it.
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Reply #7 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 10:18am
 
provide some links and cooberation and I'll certainly look.

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I'd have thought Calenan was talking about the fact that ABU has adopted a foreign religion.
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Reply #8 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 10:33am
 
Lestat wrote on Jan 23rd, 2009 at 9:05am:
Calanen wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009 at 4:10pm:
The Crusaders were extremists, in their own way. But so were the Muslims. The Muslims didnt belong in the Holy Land, and they didnt belong in Spain, France, the Byzantine Empire, Austria or the Balkans.


Don't compare the crusaders to the muslims. The muslims didn't eat their victims.



Who says that "muslims didn't eat their victims." ????

Muslims?

Oh, well then, that is definitive then, isn't it.

Because we are all so aware of, the 'impeccable' nature of, of the 'veracity' of, every claim made on behalf of historic ISLAM.
/sarc off


Dictionary,
veracity = = conformity to facts; accuracy. habitual truthfulness.


The 'veracity' of the claims of muslims???

ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!




Lestat,

May your words come back to bite you....

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Reply #9 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 10:36am
 
Calenan - thanks for the history lesson.

Fascinating stuff.
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Reply #10 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 11:43am
 
Yadda wrote on Jan 23rd, 2009 at 10:33am:
Lestat wrote on Jan 23rd, 2009 at 9:05am:
Calanen wrote on Jan 22nd, 2009 at 4:10pm:
The Crusaders were extremists, in their own way. But so were the Muslims. The Muslims didnt belong in the Holy Land, and they didnt belong in Spain, France, the Byzantine Empire, Austria or the Balkans.


Don't compare the crusaders to the muslims. The muslims didn't eat their victims.



Who says that "muslims didn't eat their victims." ????

Muslims?

Oh, well then, that is definitive then, isn't it.

Because we are all so aware of, the 'impeccable' nature of, of the 'veracity' of, every claim made on behalf of historic ISLAM.
/sarc off


fascinating as always Yadda and yet provides nothing to support a contrary claim to what lestat was saying

do you have sources that claim muslims ate their victims?

cause I've certainly never heard of it

and btw a lot of the history of the middle east has actually been written by western non-muslims- so your claim that muslims are the ones saying this is baseless.
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Reply #11 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 12:01pm
 
Another interesting fact that I read in a hard copy book somewhere when I was at uni, so I can't source here, is that there was a bit more to the story about the banner and King Leopold the Austrian.

The story was that once Acre had been conquered, Austrian troops of King Leopold made it up to the castle wall and hoisted the Austrian flag. Crusaders wearing the cross of St George, English troops, got up on the wall and pulled it down. More than that, they made a big show of wiping their butts with the Austrian flag, and throwing it down from the wall. King Richard thought this was pretty amusing, but King Leopold didnt. That's why he left, and King Phillip left too. Which was more than half of King Richard's men.
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Reply #12 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 12:10pm
 
ah gaybriel...  we are all still waiting for lestat to provide something to support/proof of his claims...
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Reply #13 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 1:26pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jan 23rd, 2009 at 12:10pm:
ah gaybriel...  we are all still waiting for lestat to provide something to support/proof of his claims...


I've read that Crusaders who were starving sometimes ate dead bodies and horses, and dogs...but this was a matter of course for any army that runs out of food. It was not a policy of eating captives or anything as routine.

I havent read about it on the Third Crusade however.
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Reply #14 - Jan 23rd, 2009 at 2:32pm
 
Yes I vaguely remember something about the First Crusade and one particular group (Tarfurs?)that resorted to it so they wouldn't starve to death and as a ploy to strike fear into the hearts of their enemies.

But certainly not in the manner lestat presented it.

As for the retaking of Jerusalem etc...   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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