Only thing is, he has been charged and arrested for it.
Will likely spend some time inside jail.

So it is not a western thing to do.



Unlike the many cases in muslim countries where dirty sex maniacs "marry" children and can then legally abuse them.
filthy disgusting pigs, sexist society

Abu's new strategy is this. Find solitary examples of crimes that are commonplace in the Islamic world and make a thread about it, and say 'SEE ITS EVERYWHERE'.

Bit like lighting a bale of hay in a desert and saying 'See bushfires are common in the Sahara!'

Afghan poor sell daughters as brides

Years of war, drought force some to give up young girls

MSNBC, February 23, 2003
By Marc Kaufman


KANDAHAR, Afghanistan, Feb. 23 - The young sisters are perky and eager to play. Zarlaska is 10 and listens intently to all that her parents are saying. Nabas Gul, 9, is more shy and hides behind her head scarf.

The two live with, and often care for, five younger siblings in a large room in an otherwise ruined building, along what was once the front line of a forgotten Afghan battle. The room is dark and bare for such a large family, but there are some quilts, a cradle and a fire that make it feel a little like home.

But it won't be the girls' home for long. When the two were just toddlers, their father needed money to pay off his debts and, seeing no other source of funds, he sold his daughters to wealthy opium poppy growers who wanted brides for their sons. Zarlaska and Nabas Gul can stay with their family until their husbands-to-be come to claim them - usually around the time they reach puberty - but their parents would have no right to object if the buyers wanted to take them now.

"I am a poor man, and this is how I can feed my large family," said their father, Sharafudin, himself a small-time poppy farmer who moved his family to Kandahar several years ago to escape other debt collectors. He said he knew it was wrong to sell the girls - that some mullahs in his village had advised against it - but that he didn't regret it. "What else could I do?" he asked with a shrug. Then he added, "Many others are doing the same thing."

RISING PRACTICE

By all accounts, he is correct. There are no statistics collected to measure it, but Afghans involved with women's issues say the selling of young girls is on the rise. After a quarter-century of war, civil chaos and most recently drought, many families have been strained to the breaking point, and the outright selling of daughters for cash is one harsh and heart-rending result.

     

From a report by United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan:

"Despite positive developments regarding women's rights, intimidation and violence by regional and local commanders against women continue unabated.... In many rural areas, especially in the more conservative tribal belt, the situation of women has not changed to any great extent since the removal of the Taliban. The prevalence of conservative attitudes limits the full, equal and effective participation of women in civil, cultural, economic, political and social life throughout the country at all levels of society."

     

UN News Service, March 6, 2003

The practice has a cultural basis here in southern Afghanistan, where prospective husbands have long paid a "bride price" for their wives - a kind of dowry that is traditionally set by the status of the bride's family and the resources of the groom's. But what was a custom has evolved into a market in which men can buy young girls from poor families. And with the country's legal system a shambles, there is nothing to stop them.

"Unfortunately, we have families now where the girls are sold as young children and the parents don't seem to think of the welfare of the girls at all," said Safia Amajar, director of the Kandahar Women's Association and a longtime educator in the city. "After so many years of war, people are poor and society is broken. "Selling the children as brides is against Islam, and I tell people that. But there are so many other problems we face and that one is very complicated for people right now, so nothing happens to stop it."

Marrying a child and being directly paid for the sale are prohibited in Afghanistan under both the civil code and Islamic law. Marzia Basel, a former Afghan judge and founder of the Afghan Women Judges Association in Kabul, pointed out that "there are laws, and then there is custom and there is great poverty." "The legal system has disappeared almost entirely here, and nobody would ever be charged for selling a daughter or marrying one so young," she said. "Until we have a strong government and people here have certain rights, these are the kind of things that will happen."

Puhleease... arranged marriages, dowry, etc, etc, etc...  ad infinitum ad nauseum ABU...

Good thing you've got 2 feet...  one more left to shoot.

yes Abu.
I thought I had.

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I am morally opposed to this sort of crime and wholly agree with the charges.
that it is a crime says the west disapproves of it.
As far as I know, there is no support for this in the NT.

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Do muslims really do it? 

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20^th, 2009 at 10:41pm:


Just goes to show...some Christians do commit acts which are un-Christian.

Now if you could only apply this logic to Islam and muslims then you might actually learn something.

Are those acts unmuslim acts?

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 20^th, 2009 at 8:32pm:


abu- if you're going to open the article with a remark like 'seems this is ok in the christian west' people are going to respond by showing the like in other religions and places. despite the obvious irony of your statement it will provoke such a reaction

A open thread on that topic is fine lestat

You seem to refer to it a bit, so start a thread on it.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20^th, 2009 at 10:41pm:


Is it though? As far as the opening post is concerned, that could be quite legal in Australia. We have an 18 year old and a 16 year old. We don't know if she was consensually involved with him or not. All we know is that the father was a a 'drunk' who consented only if the boy bought him some beer.

We're talking about two teenagers having sex, within the boundaries of consent in Australia. This happens all the time in Australia (well shock horror) but in the US, the boy gets locked up. It's the US that's dysfunctional in that regard as far as I'm concerned. If the guy was say 45 or something, then it would be a different matter.  

This is not pedophilia at all. It's a normal heterosexual relationship.

As far as the Bible is concerned, you find me the passage where it says that a 16 year old cannot marry, or any reference to age.  

(edit - I see she was 14 - ok that's too young)

Excuse me....
I just reply to the rot he posts and was let post... 

At least things flowed when you weren't around.

And we didn't have to put up with biased apologist rot.

Already be warned on the islam one by ABU...  hmmm, there seems to be a pattern forming.

No that would be an idiotic assumption on you biased behalf....  how unusual.

he libelled me.  he lied.  he deleted my pots.  he deleted my response.  he threatened to ban me.  just like you are doing.  Cept you didn't post crap and lies about why you deleted my post.  i dislike dishonety and liars.

Now them is the facts apologist.  And he is a LIAR...  now mod that one if you must but it's God's truth.

If you are going to moderate at least be unbiased and balanced.

Don't try to defame me for telling the truth...  The pattern reveals a muslim and muslim supporter pattern...  and an avoidance of the truth.  Both of you are unfit to be moderators.

Then apologise...

So lying about someone isn't a reason to apologise...?
How very muslim of you.

Ah yes you did...

I think that is where mantra and I get on well.
Though we are political poles apart, we both make our own minds up and at times clearly cross the party line.

mantra calls it as she sees it.

mantra wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2009 at 6:44am:


if you have a complaint take it to the complaint's section

what you call robust debate I call people having slinging matches

Shut up! (muso)
I am a nice guy.
I helped her with the spider.