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Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:01am
 
Seems like in the Christian West, it's ok to marry your daughter off young, so long as you get enough beer for it.  Grin

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Man sells daughter for cash, beer, meat

07:14 AEST Wed Jan 14 2009 4 hours 38 minutes ago

A man in California has been arrested for arranging to sell his 14-year-old daughter for $US16,000 ($A23,577), 100 crates of beer and several cases of meat, police said on Tuesday.

Authorities in the rural farming community of Greenfield, 225 kilometres southeast of San Francisco, said the 36-year-old Hispanic man sold the child to an 18-year-old man who was to marry the girl.

The case came to light after the parent complained to police that his daughter's prospective husband had failed to pay him under the terms of their deal, which was brokered by a third party.

The man has been arrested on human trafficking charges while the 18-year-old has been booked for statutory rape. The child has been returned to the family.

Greenfield Police Department said in a statement there had been several cases where children had been sold or offered for sale, including one incident involving a 12-year-old.

"While each case is unique, the issues of arranged marriages involving minor females or the selling of minor females to older males have become a local problem," the statement said.

Source: ninemsn
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Reply #1 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:15am
 
Only thing is, he has been charged and arrested for it.
Will likely spend some time inside jail.

So it is not a western thing to do.



Unlike the many cases in muslim countries where dirty sex maniacs "marry" children and can then legally abuse them.
filthy disgusting pigs, sexist society

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Reply #2 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:19am
 
A rarity in the West.

But this [man sells daughter] happens EVERY DAY in Sharia jurisdictions.

Go on, ask me for an example.
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Reply #3 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 1:05pm
 
Abu's new strategy is this. Find solitary examples of crimes that are commonplace in the Islamic world and make a thread about it, and say 'SEE ITS EVERYWHERE'.

Bit like lighting a bale of hay in a desert and saying 'See bushfires are common in the Sahara!'
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Reply #4 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 1:13pm
 
Muslim Gypsy Immigrants Sell Daughter To Be Raped, Married

James Fulford relays news reports on how some Gypsies in New York state treat their teenage girls.

    “At the house, though, the girl said a man raped her in an upstairs bedroom.

    “Moments later, the girl said her mother stormed into the room and demanded to know what happened. The girl said she was still bleeding when her mother took her home and beat her ‘like it was my fault.’

    “The next weekend, the girl said her mother took her back to the house. When she arrived, the girl said, the mother of the man who had raped her ‘welcomed me to the family.’

    “That night, she said, she was forced to sleep in the man’s bed, where she was raped again.

    “‘I asked him why he was making me have sex with him and he told me he had to pay my mom $3,000 for me to be his bride.”

The girl is 15 years old. James reports that the Trinity Emmanuel Lutheran Church sponsored the entry of the family into the United States. Good intentions are not an excuse for irresponsible actions. The asylum-promoting Protestant churches that engage in helping people come to the United States are harming this country.

James also notes that many of the news reports on this story leave out the ethnicity and religion of the responsible parties. Can't let the readers see patterns that demonstrate that different immigrant groups behave differently on average in important ways. The readers might reach conclusions that the liberals in the media don't want the readers to reach and so the readers have to be protected from forming opinions justified by the facts. Can't have that.

To learn about the "in group morality" of Gypsy culture and why we should want to keep it out of the United States see Steve Sailer's essay A Gypsy is haunting Europe… for the scoop.
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Reply #5 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 1:18pm
 
Afghan poor sell daughters as brides

Years of war, drought force some to give up young girls

MSNBC, February 23, 2003
By Marc Kaufman


KANDAHAR, Afghanistan, Feb. 23 - The young sisters are perky and eager to play. Zarlaska is 10 and listens intently to all that her parents are saying. Nabas Gul, 9, is more shy and hides behind her head scarf.

The two live with, and often care for, five younger siblings in a large room in an otherwise ruined building, along what was once the front line of a forgotten Afghan battle. The room is dark and bare for such a large family, but there are some quilts, a cradle and a fire that make it feel a little like home.

But it won't be the girls' home for long. When the two were just toddlers, their father needed money to pay off his debts and, seeing no other source of funds, he sold his daughters to wealthy opium poppy growers who wanted brides for their sons. Zarlaska and Nabas Gul can stay with their family until their husbands-to-be come to claim them - usually around the time they reach puberty - but their parents would have no right to object if the buyers wanted to take them now.

"I am a poor man, and this is how I can feed my large family," said their father, Sharafudin, himself a small-time poppy farmer who moved his family to Kandahar several years ago to escape other debt collectors. He said he knew it was wrong to sell the girls - that some mullahs in his village had advised against it - but that he didn't regret it. "What else could I do?" he asked with a shrug. Then he added, "Many others are doing the same thing."

RISING PRACTICE

By all accounts, he is correct. There are no statistics collected to measure it, but Afghans involved with women's issues say the selling of young girls is on the rise. After a quarter-century of war, civil chaos and most recently drought, many families have been strained to the breaking point, and the outright selling of daughters for cash is one harsh and heart-rending result.

     

From a report by United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Annan:

"Despite positive developments regarding women's rights, intimidation and violence by regional and local commanders against women continue unabated.... In many rural areas, especially in the more conservative tribal belt, the situation of women has not changed to any great extent since the removal of the Taliban. The prevalence of conservative attitudes limits the full, equal and effective participation of women in civil, cultural, economic, political and social life throughout the country at all levels of society."

     

UN News Service, March 6, 2003

The practice has a cultural basis here in southern Afghanistan, where prospective husbands have long paid a "bride price" for their wives - a kind of dowry that is traditionally set by the status of the bride's family and the resources of the groom's. But what was a custom has evolved into a market in which men can buy young girls from poor families. And with the country's legal system a shambles, there is nothing to stop them.

"Unfortunately, we have families now where the girls are sold as young children and the parents don't seem to think of the welfare of the girls at all," said Safia Amajar, director of the Kandahar Women's Association and a longtime educator in the city. "After so many years of war, people are poor and society is broken. "Selling the children as brides is against Islam, and I tell people that. But there are so many other problems we face and that one is very complicated for people right now, so nothing happens to stop it."

Marrying a child and being directly paid for the sale are prohibited in Afghanistan under both the civil code and Islamic law. Marzia Basel, a former Afghan judge and founder of the Afghan Women Judges Association in Kabul, pointed out that "there are laws, and then there is custom and there is great poverty." "The legal system has disappeared almost entirely here, and nobody would ever be charged for selling a daughter or marrying one so young," she said. "Until we have a strong government and people here have certain rights, these are the kind of things that will happen."
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Reply #6 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 1:22pm
 
Britain: Muslim Fathers Sell Daughters For Arranged Marriages
Wednesday December 15, 2004
In Britain, many women in immigrant families from Southeast Asia are suffering - their families are forcing them into marriages with Muslim men who treat them abhorrently. Physical abuse, psychological abuse, and even sexual abuse are occurring far too often.

The BBC reports:

    This year alone the British High Commission in Islamabad has dealt with almost 100 cases of forced marriage - a 20% increase over 2003. The majority involved women, but in 20 instances young men were the victims. ... Often British officials manage to secure the release of victims through negotiation with the families or local authorities. When that fails, they have sometimes had to mount court action.

    In many instances, British Asian families wanted to reinforce traditional regional cultural values by sending their daughters back to Pakistan to get married. Often, though, the prime motivation is money - since Pakistani men who marry British Asian women are entitled to UK visas, the passport to better-paid work and a higher standard of living. It is not uncommon for fathers to sell-off their daughters, such is the demand for ill-gotten visas.

    As part of an effort to help young people coerced into relationships, British ministers are currently considering whether to criminalise forced marriages. Other plans include raising the minimum age at which a foreigner can enter the UK as a spouse from 16 to 18.

The British government is going to have to work hard in order to protect these vulnerable women. They have a duty, in fact, to protect these women because their own relatives certainly aren't doing anything to accomplish this goal. It's a pity when a woman's own family is so dangerous that she needs protection from them. The Muslim community itself is going to have to step up and work as well.
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Reply #7 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 1:24pm
 
Puhleease... arranged marriages, dowry, etc, etc, etc...  ad infinitum ad nauseum ABU...

Good thing you've got 2 feet...  one more left to shoot.
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Reply #8 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 8:32pm
 
Why is it that nobody can respond to the articles being posted?

All you can do is bring opposing articles, as if to make a tit-for-tat post-fest?

Please just focus on the article being brought and argue it's particulars.
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Reply #9 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 8:38pm
 
yes Abu.
I thought I had.

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Only thing is, he has been charged and arrested for it.
Will likely spend some time inside jail.
So it is not a western thing to do.



I am morally opposed to this sort of crime and wholly agree with the charges.
that it is a crime says the west disapproves of it.
As far as I know, there is no support for this in the NT.

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Reply #10 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:29pm
 
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I am morally opposed to this sort of crime and wholly agree with the charges.
that it is a crime says the west disapproves of it


Funny.. when Muslims act against the teachings of Islam, you've got no problem claiming Islam is to blame... doesn't go the other way?

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As far as I know, there is no support for this in the NT


Did you limit it to the NT because you know in the OT a man certainly can sell his daughter? not just into marriage but into slavery... onlly for 5 years though.
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Reply #11 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:35pm
 

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But this [man sells daughter] happens EVERY DAY in Sharia jurisdictions.


Do muslims really do it?  Shocked


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Reply #12 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:41pm
 

lestat - thank goodness you have finally made a real statement !!

yes, no support is given for paedophilia in the NT, and it is illegal in the west.

yes, really one would have to say peadophilia has been entrenched within churches for generations.

For that in my thoughts, those churches should crumple. its right to see the attendances dropping there.
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Reply #13 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:47pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:41pm:
lestat - thank goodness you have finally made a real statement !!

yes, no support is given for paedophilia in the NT, and it is illegal in the west.

yes, really one would have to say peadophilia has been entrenched within churches for generations.

For that in my thoughts, those churches should crumple. its right to see the attendances dropping there.


Just goes to show...some Christians do commit acts which are un-Christian.

Now if you could only apply this logic to Islam and muslims then you might actually learn something.
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Reply #14 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 10:52pm
 
lestat - yes, i have always agreed christians do "bad" stuff to.

I have contradictory messages from the koran.
The actions of some muslims make the koran seem like an infection.
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