tallowood wrote on Jan 20^th, 2009 at 10:48am:


Tallow, a great victory over Israel such as this one requires months, even years of careful planning. They need to lull Israel into a false sense of security so that they again send the Israeli army to it's doom at the hands of Hamas. Plus, it would be unfair for them to attack Israel again while they have been crippled. They need to give Israel time to lick it's wounds and recover. Hamas does not march to anyone else's tune. They will again be victorious over Israel at the time that suits them. God willing.

Why can't they do it themselves without involving IDF and civilian Palestinians? Bloody attention whores   

Praise be to Allah - the God of lies.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 20^th, 2009 at 10:48am:


I am arab (and Egyptian) and I have spoken (even argued) to hundreds of arabs, especially about Naser (i'm no fan of his)...yet I have never heard any consider Nasser to be a winner.

Yes he is admired for nationalizing the Suez Canel..but no one, ever claims he 'won' the 6 day war, or described him as a winner.

Do you have anything to back up this claim...or are you just lieing for the sake of the argument.

Oh..and I'll ask you aswell...can you name one stated aim which the Israeli's actually achieved from this operation? One military or political objective which the Israeli stated they wanted to achieve, and actually achieved from this. Just one.

Its amazing...you are all so adamant that Israel won this war, and won comfortably (like I said...seems people can't look past the death tallies, like its some sort of morbid scoreboard..sorry dimwits, it doesn't work that way)..yet 6 pages on, not one of you have been able to find just one of Israel's stated goals (their were numerous reports in the media, where Israeli leaders were stating what they wanted to achieve...I'm sure you read them) which has been achieved by Israel. Not one.

I bet you also at the time believed that Israel defeated Hezbollah last year....yet one year on it is now accepted that Israel in fact lost. Even the Israeli's over whelmingly believed that they lost the Lebennon war, as numerous surveys found, and Olmerts popularity plummetted after the debacle.

Yes...even in Lebennon they killed far more people then Hezbollah did (I'll give you that, the IDF are good at killing), yet anyone with even a basic understanding of war can now see that Israel did not achieve its military aims in Lebennon. It was hurt both politically and diplomatically...and the air of supremecy of its military was lost when a poorly armed guerilla group held of the 4th most powerful military in the world.

THis Gaza crisis is very similar, despite all the damage, all the deaths, fact is that Israel has achieved very little from this operation..this fact in itself is a victory for Hamas.

And to be honest...it does not suprise me one bit that you people cannot see this. Its what I have come to expect. A simple outlook for simple people (sorry Helian...though this post is aimed at you...I don't actually lump you with the other losers....I respect your posts a little more...not a lot mind you, but a little. ).

NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 20^th, 2009 at 10:48am:


This is once again a complete load of nonsense and a quick look at the facts and your claims can quite easily be discredited.

Fact is Hamas was voted in by the Palestinians....on the back of its humanitarian work. Whilst the corrupt PA were banking millions of dollars, it was Hamas which set up social networks, charities, and in general looked after the general populace. If Hamas were such monsters as you claim...then why would the Palestinians vote for them. Like really...be honest...you must think very lowly of the Palestinians if you truly believe Hamas is as you have described.

You have absolutely no evidence to support your claim...Hamas has the popular support in Gaza from the average people...and are far more popular in Gaza then the PA. And here you are..claiming that "do not have welfare of the Palestinian people and nation at heart". What garbage.

What you seem to fail to comprehend, is that Hamas are Palestinians. Brothers, sisters, mothers, sons of Hamas members are the very same people that you are basically saying they dont care about.

Do you seriously believe this garbage...Have you even ever spoken to a Palestinian. Do you know any.

Really...instead of parroting the same old propaganda and zionist lies...how bout you actually think about what you are saying...and ask yourself this, how does such an organisation...who, if as you claim "Hamas do not have welfare of the Palestinian people and nation at heart, they simply crave war all the time"...how does this organisation get voted in free and fair elections.

What are you saying...that you no the situation better then the Palestinians themselves. Is that what you believe....if you do...its quite arrogant to do so.

Palestinians voted Hamas for a reason...I suggest you start doing some reading and finding out why...before sprouting the same old tired zionist propaganda.

Meanwhile, Olmert today made some farcical claims, telling the Israeli media Hamas would find it difficult to continue smuggling weapons into Gaza and that the IDF controlled the northern Gaza Strip – the area from which most rockets are launched into the Jewish state. On the ground, the IDF does not control the entire northern Gaza, as clearly evidenced by Hamas' continued ability to fire rockets from that zone.

Hamas of course has declared "victory," which is overstating things. Hamas' "victory" was by default since its only goal was to survive the IDF beating. It achieved this not due to its might but because the IDF will not be launching the third stage of its attack, which would have devastated Hamas.

One real Hamas victory, though, is the international legitimacy the group received during the past few weeks. According to WND's Hamas sources, the group was in direct contact with Italy, France, the EU and U.N. representatives, many of whom, the sources said, expressed willingness to bring Hamas into the fold and out from isolation.

In the outcome of this war, a clear winner or loser cannot be determined. Both sides gained and lost. But if we are to judge based on which side achieved its objectives, Israel clearly did not win.

Hamas for now will probably scale back its rocket attacks against Israel, since it's in the group's best interests not to provoke any further IDF operations. But when the time is right and when its arsenal has been replenished, Hamas will resume its war to destroy the Jewish state.

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=86570

This is an article written by a Jew, I suggest you dimwits read what he says, and pay attention to the bold bits.

I highly doubt it, but you might even learn something about war strategies, and international politics and diplomacy.

Calanen wrote on Jan 20^th, 2009 at 8:57pm:


I've tried, but I admit, with your level of ignorance, you probably need a team of international experts giving you 24 hour round the clock education, and even then...they would be up against it.

Hate and ignorance are a major impediment to education, and unfortunately for you...you have an abundance of both.

Did you read the article? Did you learn anything? No...see what I mean.

Grendel wrote on Jan 20^th, 2009 at 9:13pm:



"lester" lol. 

I think hes avoiding them spurtles.