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Reply #210 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 3:34pm

tallowood wrote on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 3:32pm:

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The recent military operation in the Gaza Strip against Hamas has restored Israeli's deterrence among its enemies and in the perception of the whole world, Prime Minsiter Ehud Olmert said on Monday.
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"The lesson was taught which hopefully will change realities," Olmert said. "Those who thought Israel was afraid of using power, would hesitate, and not have the courage now know we will not hesitate to use our force to defend our country."

Olmert added that in light of the bruising military operation, the international community was determined to stop weapons smuggling to the Gaza Strip, and at the same time he voiced the hope that Palestinians living in the Hamas-controlled territory would reject the Islamic regime and soon live in peace with Israel.

"We are not that far away from achieving a full comprehensive peace with the Palestinians," Olmert concluded.

as popular war advances, peace is closer

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #211 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 3:37pm Considering the fact that Hamas has restarted it's weapons smuggling and is rearming i'd say Olmert is a tad optimistic. good old Hamas... peace in our lifetime... after every single Palestinian is dead.
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Re: Hamas claims great victory
Reply #212 - Jan 29^th, 2009 at 10:35pm

Hamas officials signal willingness to negotiate

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Hamas is trying hard to flex its muscles in the aftermath of Israel's punishing onslaught in the Gaza Strip, doling out cash, vowing revenge and declaring victory over Zionist aggression. But AP interviews with Hamad and two other Hamas leaders in the war-ravaged territory they rule suggest some of that might be more bluster than reality — and the group may be ready for some serious deal making.
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Hamas' pragmatists may have emerged from Israel's offensive slightly stronger, perhaps because of a perception among some Gazans that the organization's hawks overplayed their hand by provoking the wrath of Israel....

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #213 - Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 4:10pm Er... UN Admits: IDF Didn't Hit School http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129696 How embarrassment !!
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52839 At my desk.	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #214 - Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 4:14pm Maybe you should start a new thread with that in the global board. Abu has been posting that claim all over the place. I'd hate for people to be mislead.
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Re: Hamas claims great victory
Reply #215 - Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 4:40pm

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 3:34pm:

tallowood wrote on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 3:32pm:

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The recent military operation in the Gaza Strip against Hamas has restored Israeli's deterrence among its enemies and in the perception of the whole world, Prime Minsiter Ehud Olmert said on Monday. ...
"The lesson was taught which hopefully will change realities," Olmert said. "Those who thought Israel was afraid of using power, would hesitate, and not have the courage now know we will not hesitate to use our force to defend our country."

Olmert added that in light of the bruising military operation, the international community was determined to stop weapons smuggling to the Gaza Strip, and at the same time he voiced the hope that Palestinians living in the Hamas-controlled territory would reject the Islamic regime and soon live in peace with Israel.

"We are not that far away from achieving a full comprehensive peace with the Palestinians," Olmert concluded.

as popular war advances, peace is closer

The problem is that Isreal have shown again that they will not fully unleash it's war machine in light of world opinion and therefore Hamas still exist. On that pathetic point only could Hamas possibly claim a victory.

It is the type of pause that has not been part successful for the Americans and has not been part of past Isreali victories. They need to stop it now.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52839 At my desk.	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #216 - Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 4:45pm And replace it with what?
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locutius Gold Member Offline You can't fight in here! It's the War Room Posts: 1817 Queensland Gender:	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #217 - Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 4:54pm Total War.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52839 At my desk.	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #218 - Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 4:56pm What does that mean exactly?
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Re: Hamas claims great victory
Reply #219 - Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 4:58pm

locutius wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 4:40pm:

The problem is that Isreal have shown again that they will not fully unleash it's war machine in light of world opinion and therefore Hamas still exist. On that pathetic point only could Hamas possibly claim a victory.

It is the type of pause that has not been part successful for the Americans and has not been part of past Isreali victories. They need to stop it now.

Although Olmert has threatened a 'disproportionate' response to the continued attack from Gaza.

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locutius Gold Member Offline You can't fight in here! It's the War Room Posts: 1817 Queensland Gender:	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #220 - Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 4:58pm There is no conditional parley only complete surrender. Like the Germans on WW2 who tried many times to surrender, and it was always rejected because only an unconditional surrender would be accepted.
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Re: Hamas claims great victory
Reply #221 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 9:48am

NorthOfNorth wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 4:58pm:

locutius wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 4:40pm:

The problem is that Isreal have shown again that they will not fully unleash it's war machine in light of world opinion and therefore Hamas still exist. On that pathetic point only could Hamas possibly claim a victory.

It is the type of pause that has not been part successful for the Americans and has not been part of past Isreali victories. They need to stop it now.

Although Olmert has threatened a 'disproportionate' response to the continued attack from Gaza.

Yes, that's the ticket.

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Re: Hamas claims great victory
Reply #222 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 9:56am

locutius wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2009 at 4:58pm:

There is no conditional parley only complete surrender. Like the Germans on WW2 who tried many times to surrender, and it was always rejected because only an unconditional surrender would be accepted.

Didn't I respond to this already?

Did Hitler offer conditional surrender, or was it after Hitler was dead?

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Amnesty International: Hamas harmed Palestinians
Reply #223 - Feb 13^th, 2009 at 5:13pm

Amnesty International: Hamas harmed Palestinians

http://jta.org/news/article/2009/02/11/1002926/amnesty-hamas-harmed-palestinians

LONDON (JTA) -- Amnesty International issued a report detailing Hamas violence against Palestinians during Israel’s military operation in the Gaza Strip.

In its report, the human rights organization states that at least two dozen men were shot dead by Hamas gunmen, and many more were kneecapped or otherwise tortured during and after Israel’s military operation. It also confirms media reports that some victims had been executed in hospitals where they were being treated for wounds.

Amnesty International sent a fact-finding team to the Gaza Strip once the cease-fire was in force.

Responding to the report, Hamas spokesman Fawzi Barhoum said, “Maybe some of them were killed because they were acting against the population, against the resistance."

Barhoum added that certain assassinations, like that of the Hamas interior minister, Said Siyam, could not have been carried out without intelligence provided by spies.

However, human rights organizations documented cases of execution and the torture of supporters of Fatah, the party led by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

In one such incident detailed in the report, Hamas forces took in for questioning Osama Atallah, a teacher and public supporter of Fatah. The following day a local hospital called his family to say he was in critical condition. He later died.

Fatah officials said Atallah was punished "because of his public and continued criticism of the performance of the Hamas militias in Gaza." They accused Hamas of "severely torturing and then strangling" Atallah.

Hamas officially endorses the killing of collaborators, but denies allegations that it executes political rivals.

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