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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52840 At my desk.	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #195 - Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 4:09pm Quote: The truth will always defeat lies and ignorance. Is that why Muslims think apostates should be killed? Is that how the truth defeats ignorance?
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Amadd Gold Member Offline Mo Posts: 6217	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #196 - Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 4:13pm Quote: The truth will always defeat lies and ignorance. You're right. So I've really got nothing to be concerned about.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #197 - Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 6:15pm ROTFLMAO i'm sorry.... still haven't gotten over lestat's last comment re converts... bwa ha ha ha ha ha....
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Reply #198 - Jan 24^th, 2009 at 10:10pm

Scenes from an Israeli Café – a loan from Monty Python.

ARIEL: So what have Hamas ever done for us?!

YITSHAK: They publicly declare our state has no right to exist, thus proving they're a mortal enemy.

ARIEL: What?

YITSHAK: They publicly declare our state has no right to exist, thus proving they're a mortal enemy.

ARIEL: Oh. Yeah, yeah. They do say that. Uh, that's true. Yeah.

MOSHE: They lob rockets on us, proving to us and the world they want war not peace.

IRA: Oh, yeah, the lobbing of rockets, Ariel.

ARIEL: Yeah. All right. I'll grant you the ‘no right to exist’ and the rocket lobbing are two things that Hamas have done for us.

MATTHIAS: And declaring Palestinians are the agents of death, thus declaring every Palestinian a terrorist.

ARIEL: Well, yeah. Obviously that. I mean, it goes without saying, doesn’t it? But apart from the ‘no right to exist’, the rocket lobbing, and the agents of death thing…

MOSHE: The use of children as human shields, proving they’re worse than animals.

YITSHAK: Smuggling of weapons..

ARIEL: Yeah, yeah. All right. Fair enough.

IRA: Refusal to negotiate.

MOSHE, IRA: Oh, yes. Yeah...

ARIEL: All right, but apart the ‘no right to exist’, the rocket lobbing, and the agents of death thing, human shields, weapons smuggling and refusal to negotiate, what have Hamas ever done for us?

YITSHAK: Reinforced our right to strong defence?

ARIEL: Oh. Defence… Shut up!

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41559 Gender:	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #199 - Jan 24^th, 2009 at 11:02pm hahahahahhaha
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Reply #200 - Jan 25^th, 2009 at 12:56am

Lestat wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 4:05pm:

Amadd wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 3:55pm:

They install Islam, that's all they ever do.

no Armadd...your not quite right. We don't 'install' anything. It is the people, who recognise the truth, and embrace Islam.

The inhabitants discover Islam, and they come to the fold in droves.

or haven't you noticed that here, in Australia, people are joining Islam in its hundreds. Especially your woman.

Islam has the fastest conversion rate of all religons in Australia...much of those are anglo saxon from Christian upbringing.
There are two that post on these boards.

We have not attacked Australia, invaded Australia, we just live our lives, and when people learn of our religon, and read the words of God, they discover the truth, and do what they know in thier hearts is right.

Then their are those that choose to remain in ignorance, but insha'alla they will also see the truth.

You know this, and it petrifies you, and nothing you can do will change it. Your helpless.

The truth will always defeat lies and ignorance.

Very true.

Trouble is, whenever people speak an inconvenient truth within Sharia jurisdictions, they tend to end up dead, or 'disappeared'.

TRUTH needs no defender.

Violence and lies, try to suppressed TRUTH.

But as you say,
The truth will always defeat lies and ignorance.

Proof of that statement [truth will always defeat lies and ignorance]....

Iran : A 17 year old girl is sentenced to death by hanging.
Faithfreedom
2006/01/08

Nazanin, 17, was sentenced to death by hanging for defending herself against three rapists.

A young girl who defended herself and her chastity against three male assailants who intended to kidnap and rape her causing injury to one of them who later died in hospital was condemned to death by hanging in an Islamic court in Iran. Nazanin who has seen no more than 17 Springs, all of which under the tyrannical rule of the Mullahs is now facing execution for trying to defend herself and her honor...
........I became concerned for the plight of my people in Iran and her neighboring countries and decided to investigate the cause. I asked myself whether all this is because the gentle and peaceful message of Islam is misunderstood and whether there is a way to revive the pure Islam and save my country. It was in this quest that I realized, to my chagrin, that the human right abuses are not deviations from the true Islam but they ARE teachings of Islam.
I realized that in Islam, Man has no rights! All the rights are reserved for Allah. Man has only duties. Among his duties, he has to pray five times a day, believe in the religion of Allah and submit his will, thoughts and intelligence to him. Any independence from Allah, even at the level of thought is punishable by beating, imprisonment and death.
http://difficultimages.blogspot.com/2006/04/cruel-islam-and-iran-is-worst.htmli

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #201 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 12:57pm

Grendel wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 1:18pm:

How many religions do you suppose do this.
I'm Christian... my church never did.
Catholics used to in fact you had to be Catholic to marry a Catholic at one stage. Later you could marry a Catholic but you had to promise your kids would be brought up Catholic. Don't think this goes on any more in most Western countries. If it does it is certainly on its way out.

religions should not be about barriers to love.

if it's not practised now that's down to societal shift, not down to fundamentals of the religion changing.

as far as I'm aware it's actively encouraged within christianity for christians to wed within their church/faith

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #202 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 1:28pm Are you a Catholic? Well as far as you are aware... is wrong.
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #203 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 2:14pm I was baptised catholic and half my family are irish catholics I was educated in an anglican school and some of my closest friends are christians belonging to different churches I have heard these views expressed in all situations above
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52840 At my desk.	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #204 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 2:28pm How is this relevant again? No-one is asking the Jews to marry Palestinians, or vice versa.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #205 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 2:32pm Then you have friends with very narrow upbringings or ideas, because no Christian church can prevent you from marrying outside it and none that I know of demand you marry within it.
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Reply #206 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 3:01pm

it's not about prevention or demand- it's about basic beliefs. which is that if everyone in the world belonged to the same religion (the religion that whomever is saying this belongs to) then the world would be a better place as consequence of everyone following the 'path of god'

in which case it is not strange in any religion for people to be encouraged to marry within that religion

my point is that religions that do encourage this are not abnormal, nor are they engaging in some sort of conspiracy to rule the world- not in the dr evil sense

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #207 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 3:23pm oooh that sounds very Islamic... a one religion world. How about you list for me all churches that demand you only marry from within the church. Because that IS what it's about.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41559 Gender:	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #208 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 3:30pm gaybriel - your comments are MILES offthread. there is only one religion that desires for control of the whole world that's the one you defend in most posts and delete postings about. you're a poor biased mod, like all other islamic mods
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Reply #209 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 3:32pm

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The recent military operation in the Gaza Strip against Hamas has restored Israeli's deterrence among its enemies and in the perception of the whole world, Prime Minsiter Ehud Olmert said on Monday.
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"The lesson was taught which hopefully will change realities," Olmert said. "Those who thought Israel was afraid of using power, would hesitate, and not have the courage now know we will not hesitate to use our force to defend our country."

Olmert added that in light of the bruising military operation, the international community was determined to stop weapons smuggling to the Gaza Strip, and at the same time he voiced the hope that Palestinians living in the Hamas-controlled territory would reject the Islamic regime and soon live in peace with Israel.

"We are not that far away from achieving a full comprehensive peace with the Palestinians," Olmert concluded.

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