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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #135 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 8:23pm ROTFLMAO Israel could raze Gaza to the ground. Is that what you'd prefer? Thank God they at least are rational people. I will wait a little longer before reposting my original questions... give you a bit of time to think up some logical answers, instead of regurgitating rubbish
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #136 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 8:30pm KEEP IT CIVIL
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Re: Hamas claims great victory
Reply #137 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 8:30pm

Grendel wrote on Jan 21^st, 2009 at 6:00pm:

he can't even comment of what he thinks.
Or in point form why Hamas was victoriuos.

I wouldn't be waiting around for answers.

Grendel: Please list in point form why Hamas was victorious.

Lestat: I have already listed why I believe Hamas was victorious.

Grendel: No you haven't.

Lestat (way back at reply 4):

The war did not stop rocket firing, did not end Hamas rule in Gaza and did not even succeed to free captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit. Hamas has been strengthened, and Abass and his impotent PA has lost credibility amongst Palestinians, and has in fact been weakened by this affair.

Grendel: You still haven't answered my question. I will keep asking until you have.

Cheesy

:D

And this man thinks he has an IQ of 139.

BWAHAHAHAHA

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Lestat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1403	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #138 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 8:31pm Gaybriel wrote on Jan 21^st, 2009 at 8:30pm: KEEP IT CIVIL Perhaps you can ask this irritating poster to stop posting questions that have been numerously answered in this thread. Its getting rather boring to be honest.
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #139 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 8:32pm well then stop replying lestat. it's that simple. I'm here to keep things civil, not be your mother
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Re: Hamas claims great victory
Reply #140 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 8:39pm

Oh lestat.... here boy, here boy...

Ok you think this is a victory for Hamas right?
You are happy 'bout that right?
Why?

In point form, how is this in any way a victory for Hamas?
How in point form is this a victory for the palestinian people?

Ok so far all you've replied is "lol you losers..."

Care to try for something reasonable?
Oh and mantra brought up my IQ... you seem a tad obsessed. You keep repeating it all over the place like some sad jealous kid.

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Re: Hamas claims great victory
Reply #141 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 8:51pm

Grendel wrote on Jan 21^st, 2009 at 8:39pm:

Oh lestat.... here boy, here boy...

Ok you think this is a victory for Hamas right?
You are happy 'bout that right?
Why?

In point form, how is this in any way a victory for Hamas?
How in point form is this a victory for the palestinian people?

Ok so far all you've replied is "lol you losers..."

Care to try for something reasonable?
Oh and mantra brought up my IQ... you seem a tad obsessed. You keep repeating it all over the place like some sad jealous kid.

look up, 3 posts before yours....ah forget it.

I give up.

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Reply #142 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 9:17pm

I think I found the defintion in the dictionary.

Hamas victory
Origin: Islam

Hamas victory /ˈvɪktəri, ˈvɪktri/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ham -arse -vik-tuh-ree, vik-tree] Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun, plural -ries.
1. an imagined success or triumph over an enemy in battle or war.
2. an engagement ending in total domination where the loser claims victory
Analogy: The new vaccine effected a victory over poliomyelitis, however, all of the patients died.

Expression; usage:
They would've had to of "Done a Bradbury" to win the battle, but upon failure they claimed a "Hamas Victory".

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41536 Gender:	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #143 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 10:19pm amadd - hahahhaha A "hamas victory" means there is still one obsessive imbicile alive to croak "We won." No wonder even other scumbag muslim countries have dropped them like a schoolbag.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #144 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 10:31pm 3 posts before it doesn't cut it Lestat that's why I asked
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Reply #145 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 10:36pm

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Gaza City, 15 Jan. (AKI) - Palestinian and Israeli sources say two senior Hamas leaders, among them the group's Interior Minister Said Siam, were killed during an Israeli targeted assassination on Thursday.

Hamas' head of general security service Salah Abu Sharah was also killed in the airstrike, as well as the head of its military wing, the al-Qassam Brigades, Mahmoud Watfah.

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.0.2912546259

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GAZA - Israel killed a senior Hamas leader in an air attack on his home on Thursday, striking its first deadly blow against the top ranks of the Islamist group in a Gaza offensive that has claimed more than 400 Palestinian lives.

Nizar Rayyan, a cleric widely regarded as one of Hamas’s most hardline political leaders, had called for renewed suicide bombings inside Israel. Medical officials, confirming his death, said another nine people, including members of Rayyan’s family, were killed in the bombing in Jabalya refugee camp.

Many Hamas leaders are in hiding, anticipating assassination attempts by Israel, whose military confirmed the air strike. Hamas Radio said Rayyan rejected Hamas advice to leave his house.

Rayyan, 49, an influential preacher at what is known in Jabalya as the “mosque of martyrs” mentored suicide bombers and with an ammunition belt strapped to his stocky frame, would sometimes patrol with Hamas fighters.

http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=18469

I'm not sure that Hamas could afford to have too many more 'victories' like this one.

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 7568 Gender:	Re: Hamas claims great victory Reply #146 - Jan 22^nd, 2009 at 12:07am Poor muslim boy got humiliated once again. Would it not be simpler to honestly answer the question When hamas will try for another victory of this sort?
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Reply #147 - Jan 22^nd, 2009 at 12:12am

Calanen wrote on Jan 21^st, 2009 at 10:36pm:

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Gaza City, 15 Jan. (AKI) - Palestinian and Israeli sources say two senior Hamas leaders, among them the group's Interior Minister Said Siam, were killed during an Israeli targeted assassination on Thursday.

Hamas' head of general security service Salah Abu Sharah was also killed in the airstrike, as well as the head of its military wing, the al-Qassam Brigades, Mahmoud Watfah.

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.0.2912546259

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GAZA - Israel killed a senior Hamas leader in an air attack on his home on Thursday, striking its first deadly blow against the top ranks of the Islamist group in a Gaza offensive that has claimed more than 400 Palestinian lives.

Nizar Rayyan, a cleric widely regarded as one of Hamas’s most hardline political leaders, had called for renewed suicide bombings inside Israel. Medical officials, confirming his death, said another nine people, including members of Rayyan’s family, were killed in the bombing in Jabalya refugee camp.

Many Hamas leaders are in hiding, anticipating assassination attempts by Israel, whose military confirmed the air strike. Hamas Radio said Rayyan rejected Hamas advice to leave his house.

Rayyan, 49, an influential preacher at what is known in Jabalya as the “mosque of martyrs” mentored suicide bombers and with an ammunition belt strapped to his stocky frame, would sometimes patrol with Hamas fighters.

http://www.sanfranciscosentinel.com/?p=18469

I'm not sure that Hamas could afford to have too many more 'victories' like this one.

I have given the formula for calculation of how many times they can do it. Here it is again
"Take number of palestinians who support hamas murderers, divide it by number of palestinians sacrificed for hamas vanity and you will get number of such victories that hamas need."

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Reply #148 - Jan 22^nd, 2009 at 6:42am

Any war in which mostly civilians were massacred in their homes will have no winners.

However, all Lestat and myself have stated is that Israel did not achieve the objectives it stated it was aiming to achieve at the outset of the incursion.

Unless anyone can show they achieved those objectives, then they must admit that Israel failed. Hamas have emerged from this whole affair stronger than before, so one would have to conclude they had some 'victory' no matter how minor it might be, only time will tell us that.

You must remember that wars aren't just about the number of casualties you inflict, especially not if most of them are civilian deaths anyway. Hamas reported only about 45 deaths, and reported having killed over 100 IDF soldiers. No doubt the IDF has different numbers, and no doubt you consider only them to be a credible source. I really don't know, but I do know that non-Muslims have a long track record of not reporting their military losses during conflicts with Muslims. This began in the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, when the USSR would routinely not disclose how many casualties they were suffering, and would often report helicopter downings as "accidents". We see the same thing in Iraq and Afghanistan today, the resistance fighters routinely report shooting down helicopters, the US deny it, then later claim it was friendly fire, or an accident. They have no choice, their citizens won't support a war if too many of their sons and daughters are dying in it.

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Reply #149 - Jan 22^nd, 2009 at 6:52am

GAYBRIEL,
THIS POST IS CLEARLY OFF TOPIC

......BUT I AM REPLYING TO AN 'ERROR' BEING PERPETRATED IN ANOTHER POST, BY LESTAT.

I HOPE THAT YOU DON'T FEEL COMPELLED TO REMOVE THIS POST.

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Lestat wrote on Jan 21^st, 2009 at 3:18pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 21^st, 2009 at 2:55pm:

Would you mind quoting the bit about starving people?.

Are you serious? Are you honestly saying that palestinians were not starving under the Israeli blockage.

Seriously...how do you keep a face fd?

If you truly don't believe that the palestinians were starving, and you need quotes and links to convince you, then really, discussing this issue with you is a waste of time. Your bigotry and hate has clearly clouded your judgement.

If only the Palestinians weren't muslims, I suspect you would have a rather different opinion.

Gazans receive $billions in aid from the world community.

Where does much of that aid end up???

Google this....
Arafat died a billionaire.
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Arafat+died+a+billionaire.&btnG=Google+S...

Also, huge stores of food have entered Gaza,

but its distribution is being restricted, by Hamas.

The border crossings are closely controlled by the Israelis, yes.

The controls and restrictions on the border crossings, are an attempt to deny Hamas access to the Gazans primary 'commerce', the smuggling of arms into Gaza, which the Israelis wish to deny them.

So as to 'protest' the Israeli border controls, Hamas restricts the distribution of food within Gaza, and blames Israel for 'shortages', and the hardships of the Gaza residents.

These hardships are imposed upon the ppl of Gaza, by Hamas, not by Israel.

PLENTY OF FOOD TO BURN, IN GAZA

I saw a TV news report from Gaza, just the other day.

The report was giving an account of an Israeli bombing strike against a UN compound [the Israelis claimed its environs had being used as a rocket base, by Hamas fighters, those 'warriors' of ISLAM].

NOTABLY, Behind the UN worker, who was complaining to the TV news crew about the Israeli strike, was the [now] open warehouse, with donated food stacked half way to the roof.

There was a huge blaze roaring out of the opening in the U.N. warehouse, as the huge quantity of food burned.

Hamas refuses to distribute food to its people

http://www.topix.com/forum/source/hampton-roads-daily-press/T8MK0S8PAHUTQ5NPF

Why is hamas refusing to help the people in gaza? - Yahoo! Answers

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090105144958AAdPzAv

Google,

Hamas refuses to distribute food

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Hamas+refuses+to+distribute+food&btnG=Se...

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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