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"I don't want to serve muslims." - racist?
Jan 16^th, 2009 at 8:41am

If i identify, and don't want to serve muslims in my cafe, because i am offended by the muslim Jihad against non-muslims [by muslims] - am i a 'racist'?

This previous scenario was a 'hypothetical'.

But this scenario [below] comes from 'real life',

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January 14, 2009
New Zealand: Muslim cafe owner kicks Israeli women out of his shop
Islamic Tolerance Alert. "Cafe owner defends booting out Israeli women," from Newstalk, January 15 (thanks to Model7):
An Invercargill cafe owner who says refusing to serve two Israeli women was one small protest from the bottom of the South Island.
Mustafa Tekinkaya, who is Muslim and originally from Turkey, asked the two women to leave his Melvana Cafe after hearing them speak Hebrew and establishing they were Israeli .

http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/024398.php
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/5263068/cafe-owner-defends-booting-isra...

Isn't such an action 'racist' in its nature, and demonstrative of the absolute intolerance of some ppl, towards other 'different' ppl?

Where is the 'interfaith dialogue', on neutral ground???

Isn't such intolerance an example of 'Collective punishment' of non-muslim individuals, by muslims?
....because of their perceived 'unbelief'.

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Where muslims / ISLAM can, it will remove your [non-muslim] choice.

Muslims / ISLAM does not give you [a non-muslm] a choice to be who your are.

All things within the ISLAMIC 'universe' are defined, according to what is acceptable to muslims / ISLAM.

Decent ppl must come to understand that ISLAM is not compatible with Western values, of justice, of right or wrong.

ISLAM alone determines what is right or wrong.

To the devout muslim,

ISLAM is right.

Everyone else, is wrong.

Period.

What behaviour is permitted [halal], to muslims?

Within ISLAM, for a devout muslim all things are permissible, if they are permitted by Sharia.

Like opposing and fighting the 'unbelievers'.

Hadith....

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...

Koran....

"Allah! There is no god but He: of a surety He will gather you together against the Day of Judgment, about which there is no doubt. And whose word can be truer than Allah's?
Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;- "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.087
v. 87-89

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#009.029

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Islam is a lie and truth is killing it.

Posted by: Alaskan
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023681.php#c602782

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pope urban 2 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 271 melbourne Gender:	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist? Reply #1 - Jan 16^th, 2009 at 9:16am If your Muslim your not a racist, isnt that obvious, it only applies to the rest of us.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 41520 Gender:	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist? Reply #2 - Jan 16^th, 2009 at 9:24am jfk - hahahahha course, all the ills of the world are the fault of us infidels - according to muslamics. (like the new word ?)
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist? Reply #3 - Jan 16^th, 2009 at 9:31am is that like a muslimaniac?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 41520 Gender:	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist? Reply #4 - Jan 16^th, 2009 at 9:35am ah - was more like a muslim and islamic wonder if we can join muslim, maniac AND islamic !!
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Calanen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2241	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist? Reply #5 - Jan 16^th, 2009 at 9:52am Being Jewish is being a member of a race. Being Islamic, is not. If they had done it to a muslim, there would be leftie marches, muslim jihad, petrol bombs, cries of racism, intifada, Keysar Trad on the news saying the Sheik Hilali was badly translated when he said the perpetrators should be beheaded...
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Calanen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2241	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist? Reply #6 - Jan 16^th, 2009 at 11:04am Muslim shopkeepers, taxi drivers and bus drivers will often not give you your change in your hand because they dont want to touch you. They will put the change down in front of you to take. Or, they wear gloves. You are unclean infidel.
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Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist?
Reply #7 - Jan 16^th, 2009 at 11:14am

Calanen wrote on Jan 16^th, 2009 at 11:04am:

Muslim shopkeepers, taxi drivers and bus drivers will often not give you your change in your hand because they dont want to touch you. They will put the change down in front of you to take. Or, they wear gloves.

You are unclean infidel.

They do!!! I try to avoid their shops at all costs (i do not give money to arabs) but sometimes you have to go in. And yep your change always ends up on the table even when you have your hand out.

Such racists.

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pope urban 2 Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 271 melbourne Gender:	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racis Reply #8 - Jan 16^th, 2009 at 11:53am Islam is not sure whether it is a race or not, can you be racist to a religion or are you infact a religionist, my new word for the day.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist? Reply #9 - Jan 16^th, 2009 at 12:02pm Islam isn't a race... they just like tossing the racist word around whilst they practice being racist themselves.
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Reply #10 - Jan 16^th, 2009 at 12:06pm

pope urban 2 wrote on Jan 16^th, 2009 at 11:53am:

Islam is not sure whether it is a race or not, can you be racist to a religion or are you infact a religionist, my new word for the day.

It's not a race.

Just a group of disparate races that are part of a religion. There are muslims from Russia that are white with blue eyes.

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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.

Yadda

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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist? Reply #11 - Jan 20^th, 2009 at 11:57pm off topic comments deleted as to the original post- yes it is racist, discriminatory, bigoted- whatever word you want to use
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 41520 Gender:	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist? Reply #12 - Jan 20^th, 2009 at 11:59pm So what ?
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist? Reply #13 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 12:02am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 20^th, 2009 at 11:59pm: So what ? so Yadda asked the question and I answered it
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 7557 Gender:	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist? Reply #14 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 12:09am I agree with G, Muslim cafe owner is racists but what was done about him?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 41520 Gender:	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist? Reply #15 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 12:10am so what if it is a racist/discriminiatory word? Are all such words banned ? Do they no longer exist ?
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist? Reply #16 - Jan 21^st, 2009 at 12:59pm what word are you talking about? I never referred to a word. I was referring to someone refusing to serve someone else based on their religion/race/nationality.
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist? Reply #17 - Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 12:06am Calanen, I thought you liked Turkish Muslims? Aren't you a proponent of Turkish, Ahmadiyyah and Tatar Muslims coming to Australia?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 41520 Gender:	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist? Reply #18 - Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 8:36am It is your freedom of choice to refuse to go to a muslim owned cafe or refuse to serve a muslim. I might ask at every cafe if they are muslims or not from now on. Then exercise my right.
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Reply #19 - Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 11:36am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 8:36am:

It is your freedom of choice to refuse to go to a muslim owned cafe or refuse to serve a muslim.

I might ask at every cafe if they are muslims or not from now on.
Then exercise my right.

you have a right not to go anywhere- sure- even if it is based on bigotry

however you cannot refuse somebody service based upon their religion, race, gender etc- that's straight up discrimination. i'm sure the fair trade act or something akin to it would support that

it's not your right to discriminate against others and refuse them goods or services

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Reply #20 - Jan 26^th, 2009 at 11:18am

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 11:36am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 8:36am:

It is your freedom of choice to refuse to go to a muslim owned cafe or refuse to serve a muslim.

I might ask at every cafe if they are muslims or not from now on.
Then exercise my right.

you have a right not to go anywhere- sure- even if it is based on bigotry

however you cannot refuse somebody service based upon their religion, race, gender etc- that's straight up discrimination. i'm sure the fair trade act or something akin to it would support that

it's not your right to discriminate against others and refuse them goods or services

Gaybriel,

Wow!

I thank you, for these rational words.

Now, if only we could convince muslims of these values, and tolerance of others.

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Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racis
Reply #21 - Jan 26^th, 2009 at 4:52pm

It's irrelevant whether it's racist or not because you will either serve them or not. Perhaps you can be suitably rude etc or deliver poor service to make them seek elsewhere. this could impact on your valued clientele, but so would refusing to serve Muslims as there are many blleding hearts who would have a cry over it.

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Reply #22 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 1:10pm

Yadda wrote on Jan 26^th, 2009 at 11:18am:

Gaybriel wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 11:36am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 8:36am:

It is your freedom of choice to refuse to go to a muslim owned cafe or refuse to serve a muslim.

I might ask at every cafe if they are muslims or not from now on.
Then exercise my right.

you have a right not to go anywhere- sure- even if it is based on bigotry

however you cannot refuse somebody service based upon their religion, race, gender etc- that's straight up discrimination. i'm sure the fair trade act or something akin to it would support that

it's not your right to discriminate against others and refuse them goods or services

Gaybriel,

Wow!

I thank you, for these rational words.

Now, if only we could convince muslims of these values, and tolerance of others.

not to mention sprint

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 41520 Gender:	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist? Reply #24 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 1:27pm yadda - it's their "religious" right to discriminate against nonmuslims. Well, their religious duty to be more correct got another muslim deflecting comment gaybriel?
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Reply #25 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 2:12pm

grendel- yes you're right, but I was pointing out Yadda's selective application of who should be reminded of what it is to be fair and non-discriminatory when sprint has so overtly expressed his discriminatory views in this matter

secondly- it is actually false of him in the first place to apply that to muslims en masse as it was only one muslim man who refused service to someone from israel, it's hardly a widespread epidemic. when you see muslims across the board refusing service to non-muslims or israelis, then there may be an issue- but right now, all there is is an isolated incident

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Reply #26 - Jan 27^th, 2009 at 2:44pm

I'm sure we are all aware of sprints method of expressing himself by now.

I am also sure we are all well aware of how Muslims as a large collective (if not every single one of them) express their beliefs etc on several topics. Hatred of the US for example. Hatred of the West. Hatred of Jews. Hatred of Israel. Intolerance of western culture... the list is almost endless.

Whereas most people in western democracies such as ours just want to live our lives in peace. You don't see mass demonstrations or 1000s of faces distorted in hatred protesting Muslims or Arabs or threatening violent jihad etc, etc, etc...

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 22707 A cat with a view	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist? Reply #27 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 12:42pm Grendel wrote on Jan 27^th, 2009 at 1:26pm: sprint is an individual Muslims are a collective. Grendel, Hmmm, So is ISLAM like, the Borg? Or are the Borg, like ISLAM? "Resistance is futile. .......YOU WILL BE ASSIMILATED!!"
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skippy Ex Member	Re: "I don't want to serve muslims." - racist? Reply #28 - Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 2:03pm abu_rashid wrote on Jan 23^rd, 2009 at 12:06am: Calanen, I thought you liked Turkish Muslims? Aren't you a proponent of Turkish, Ahmadiyyah and Tatar Muslims coming to Australia? No you're confused, he likes Turkish delight, not turkish muslims.
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