Muslims refuse to fight

14/01/2009

Several Muslim soldiers refused to fight in Afghanistan, citing their faith, according to the blog release "Secret Defense, confirmed by the Army.

These are young Muslims who did not want to fight other Muslims in Afghanistan, "wrote Liberation journalist Jean-Dominique Merchet on his blog.

"The refusal to go on a mission for reasons faith is a micro-phenomenon that involves less than five cases a year," said Colonel Benoit Royal, head of Information and Public Relations of the Army (SIRPA -Earth), questioned by AFP.

It reflects in his view, "beyond the reason given by the soldiers, an error of understanding of the meaning of their commitment to bear arms of France to defend its interests and values at all times and in all places" .

Also according to the Royal Colonel, "a disciplinary procedure is systematically engaged in case of refusal to go into operation, resulting in most cases to termination of contract".

Libération's blog states that a case was reported last October in the 1st Infantry Regiment Sarrebourg (Moselle). The soldier is, however, reversed his decision after having met a Muslim army chaplain.

Fell ill while he was to leave the stage of preparation, the soldier will only be sent by Afghanistan as planned next month, also confirmed by Colonel Royal.

The number of French soldiers of the Muslim faith is unknown, said "Secret Defense", the French law prohibiting recognition of religion.

http://www.lefigaro.fr/flash-actu/2009/01/14/01011-20090114FILWWW00644-des-musulmans-refusent-de-combattre.php

"It is not for a believer to kill a believer unless it be by mistake" -- Qur'an 4:92.

If we went to war against Indonesia and/or Malaysia or any other Islamic country, expect many Muslims here to actively support the enemy or at least refuse to support us.

mantra wrote on Jan 15^th, 2009 at 6:13pm:


Because they swore an oath to fight for France and at their direction?  In the Army, you don't get to pick and choose where you go or what you do.

So this means its quite alright, if say, any muslims in our military can walk off the job if Indonesia decides to invade us?

It also presents the very real question - will muslims be loyal to other interests and make the national interest, second place to those interests. If so, why would we want them. Why hire an employee who might do what you tell them, depends how they feel and whether or not it might harm a competitor that they like better than you.

So sack them.

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Why hire anyone then.  There are plenty of non-Muslims who hate their employers.

mantra wrote on Jan 15^th, 2009 at 6:30pm:


I think you failed to understand the metaphor.

Muslims have an inherent, expressed, and consistent conflict of interest with the national interest, in that they will prefer muslims over the interests of the state. You cannot have soldiers who decides not to fight certain enemies.

So get them to swear allegiance to follow us into battle no matter what, against even Muslims enemies. And if they wont swear it, kick em out.

This is of some particular importance in this part of the world, where our most dangerous neighbour is an Islamic state.

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Interestingly was still on the books for treason up until 2002, but only by accident. When they cleaned up all the Federal Acts in the great terror review, they removed it. The Commonwealth has disavowed the death penalty for a very long time now, even if stale acts still provided for it.

Pity. I think that the people convicted of terror crimes in Australia should have been charged with treason and shot.

Well this is just one of the points which we've been discussing, and it's merely one of the very valid reasons why Islam in Australia must be either banned or very heavily controlled.
They're not us, they're them.

Calanen,

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Tell me honestly, if we went to war against Israel, do you think most Jews would support Australia or Israel? Just look at all the cases of Jews spying for Israel, lobbying for resolutions for Israel etc. in the US and I think you know the answer, if you don't already.

While we're at it, do you think Italians in Australia would fight in the army against Italy if we went to war against them? Or Greeks? Or Macedonians?

How about a little closer to home, Ireland? Do you think the Irish here would support going to war against the Irish republic?

All of these cases are just as valid as the one you raised against Muslims. So if we go by your standards, there won't be too many 'real' Aussies left at the end of the day.

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I'd still expect any Jews in the army to do their job.

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Yes more Zionist conspiracy stories.

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They already have. WW2.

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Again, already have. Heard of the Irish Guards? The Irish have served in the UK military for a very long period of time, despite other Irish being 'at war' (or believing they were) with the English.

All the people of Irish descent would do their jobs.

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No they are not. Because all of the examples you have given are not part of a state with no borders, which Islam is. The only group that continually says that they have no allegiance to the state that they live in but that is subservient to sharia and the ummah, is Islam. Nobody else does. 

There were no Irish here joining in the terror attacks of the IRA against the Queen. None.

And while I would like a united Ireland, resorting to terror, should never have occured. Anyone who did so, should have been executed. On both sides.