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Reply #45 - Jan 19th, 2009 at 9:38am
 
ROTFLMAO

Why don't you find the original map from the League of Nations that show the BMP as one area which was later as your map shows split into 2 areas?

I have explained and provided text from the source time and time again
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...  and it says YOU ARE WRONG. 

Oh that's right...  it would prove you wrong  again.  Roll Eyes Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #46 - Jan 19th, 2009 at 9:47am
 
Map
Note....  that the BMP is the ENTIRE area.
Even your map idiot shows the British mandate is the entire area...  blue and tan...  have trouble understanding maps do you?
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Reply #47 - Jan 19th, 2009 at 9:57am
 
Grendel,

Where did you get that map from? Was it from wikipedia? Did it have this caption under it by any chance:

"The approximate borders of the British Mandate circa 1922. In September 1922 Britain organized the territory east of the Jordan river, "Transjordan," as an autonomous state."

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Reply #48 - Jan 19th, 2009 at 10:03am
 
circa means approx...  
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...  1917 as I have already poined out was when the plans were originally drawn up.  1920 was when the British Mandate came into being and late 1922 was when the BMP was split into 2.

Now I have stated this all along and you have lied saying that it was always 2 separate areas...  
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Transjordan or Jordan makes up approx 75% of the mandate area... it is an ARAB state.
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Everything I've ever said is even backed up by everything you use as proof.  [color=#ff0000]mod: personal attack[/color

Historical era      
- Mandate assigned      25 April, 1920
- Transjordanian independence      25 May 1946
- Founding of Israel      14 May, 1948
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Reply #49 - Jan 19th, 2009 at 10:42am
 
Quote:
The Emirate of Transjordan (Arabic: إمارة شرق الأردن ʾImārat Sharq al-ʾUrdun) was a former Ottoman territory incorporated into the British Mandate of Palestine in 1921 as an autonomous political division under as-Sayyid Abdullah bin al-Husayn
Transjordan

Anything not clear for you there? Do you know what incorporated means? Something can't be incorporated into something if it was "originally" part of it, as you insist on claiming.

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Transjordanian independence      25 May 1946


Yes full independance was granted in 1946, but it was made autonomous in 1922, and was NEVER administered as part of the mandate of Palestine. It had it's own seperate administrative capital in Ma'an from the day it was INCORPORATED into the existing mandate for Palestine.

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In May 1923 Transjordan was granted a degree of independence with Abdullah as ruler and Harry St. John Philby as chief representative.


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Transjordan remained under British control until the first Anglo-Jordanian treaty was concluded in 1928. Transjordan became nominally independent although the British still maintain a military presence, control of foreign affairs and retained some financial control over the kingdom.


Also in 1937 the British Peel Commission proposed the first partition plan for Palestine (there was no Transjordan in the map) and it consisted of an Arab state and a Jewish state within Palestine (West of the Jordan), which just further renders your argument as a load of regurgitated Bovine faeces, indicating that in 1937 (at least) the British were talking about West of the Jordan as Palestine only, and were proposing to partition it into a large Arab state with a small Jewish 'homeland' in the north.

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Also note that the mandate of Transjordan is marked as Transjordan, by 1937 (actually well before, since 1922 it was already autonomous from the BMP).

Anyway even at the end of all this Grendel, the argument still doesn't do anything to the situation of the Palestinians. They are from WEST of the Jordan river, and their land was taken from them, that's what they're fighting for. Saying they already got 75% of an arbitrary border on a map (which was mostly just drawn up to give the British an oil pipeline from Iraq to the Palestinian mediterranean coast) means nothing. As I mentioned to you before, it's like giving all of Victoria to the Muslims, then kicking the Victorians out and saying you got 75% of the Eastern seaboard, stop complaining. It's just ridiculous. the Palestinians didn't get Jordan, this is the first point. Second point is, their homes aren't in Jordan, they're in Palestine, and Palestine is WEST of the Jordan, not east of it.
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Reply #50 - Jan 19th, 2009 at 10:57am
 
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Oh and ABU once more you provide proof I was right...  transjordan was part of what?  Included in what?  Oh THE BRITISH MANDATE OF PALESTINE....  well who'd a thunk.. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #51 - Jan 19th, 2009 at 11:04am
 
Oh and ABU....  what part of dates and maps don't you understand.

Oh right every part.

The BMP which is shown on my map and many others shows a large expanse of land either sided of the Jordan.  THIS WAS THE LAND MANDATED TO THE BRITISH as the BRITISH MANDATE OF PALESTINE  there was no 2 MANDATES...  if there was we wouldn't be arguing about it.

Considering you are such an obsessive pedant about everything else I have no idea why you are having problems conceding this point.
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