Grendel wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 10:03am:


Every time they pose for the public in a wreath laying ceremony and every time they open their mouths during Anzac Day to make an eloquent speech saying what a supreme sacrifice these people had to make (due to the failure of politicians such as myself). They don't usually say the last bit though.

I should actually have said that they glorify themselves. I agree that they don't intentionally glorify war.

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You are quite right Muso and it's funny which politician that brings to mind.

Who turned Gallipoli into a circus? 

Mozzaok - if you happen to be reading these threads - please note Grendel's continual insults and you're worried about hurting his feelings. 

Calanen wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 9:49am:

It could be argued that it's also a covert celebration in that, as one Australian radio identity put it, "We Australians love glorious defeat and we celebrate it whenever we can".

muso wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 10:02am:


AGREED !!!

You are making lots of gaffes recently Mantra.
I have never called you names, and I have never condoned any one else calling you names, and I have criticised Grendel for calling you names, and you accuse me of having a short memory, and besides really that was not even what we were talking about.

I said that you comparing Grendel to Lestat was offensive, because Lestat is such a low, contemptible, loathesome creature, far beyond any mere argy bargy name calling.

You have got yourself so emotionally confused, by your well intentioned sympathy for the plight of those palestinians who are suffering, that you are putting yourself in the position of justifying terrorists, and Islamiist zealots, by abrogating them for their responsibility for the suffering that so concerns you.

Others here are not so willing to lay the blame at the feet of the US or Israel, as being the primary cause of this suffering.

We would all like to see it end, but as long as one side openly states that the complete destruction of the other side, is its ultimate goal, which Hamas does say, then it is wrong to absolve them of their responsibility for the suffering, by maintaining such a criminal, genocidal policy.

You always seem to ignore that point.

The rest of us know that Israel are not blameless, and the US has often behaved deplorably, when it comes to international foreign affairs, and have rightfully been criticised for it, but just how you think they could possibly proceed to negotiate peacefully with a group who seek the obliteration of Israel from the map, is a question you need to answer.

If the US, or Israel, had ever come out with pronouncements, or policies, of such open hatred and bigotry as the Islamists do, you would never forgive them, but you just turn a blind eye to it when the Islamists do.

That would tend to make me think that in this regard, it is you who is displaying an unfair bias, albeit from a position of compassion for the suffering palestinians, even if you are well intentioned, and just want to see a peaceful resolution, because before there can be any resolution, each side needs to accept the other's right to exist, currently the palestinians do not show any signs of ever accepting Israel's right to exist.

I never seen a little Australian boy or girl with an automatic rifle during any ANZAC parade like the little Palestinian kid on the picture as well as never seen any Australian kids dressed up with suicide belts like the Palestinian kids do.

Good grief... I have relatives from the war too.
Gee unusual for an Australian eh.
people shot by snipers in Kokoda.
fiances whose partner just disappeared there.
Wives of officers beheaded by the japanese.
Uncles still shell-shocked from bombardment in the navy.
Yes...  I think we have a very good idea of what the Day is about and not some PC crap spouted by immature prats.

Seems to me the only ones politicising it are you goobers.

Now how about you put your money where your mouth is and provide some examples eh...

Come on you have such biased opinions there must be some proof?

No?  
Eh?

None?

Oh dear...

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Do you even know what you are saying when you write such silly stuff Mantra?
I think probably not, because you just condoned genocide.

As far as this kerfuffle you have started over anzac day, I really don't know what we expect politicians to do, if they are effusive about it, then must we assume that they are seeking to exploit it?

I expect some hold some pretty strong views on it, and have the right to express that.

I cannot think of anyone whose attitude to it I would want to question, it is something that nearly all of us respect greatly.