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So we can't criticise the use of children as human shields or suicide bombers until we've experienced hard times? I didn't realise morals were so flexible.

Grendel has a point about ANZAC day. I've never heard a digger say they love death more than the enemy loves life. Lest we forget, does not mean lest we forget the glory, it means lest we forget the suffering and end up doing it again. People like Abu who call for the destruction of Israel want to see it happen all over again.

Mantra, don't cheer to hamas child killers and molesters, it sounds disgusting and I think you are better then that.

mantra wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 9:11am:


"and for us to celebrate the slaughter of millions of our boys,"

mantra wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 9:11am:


Why not?

mantra wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 9:11am:


Who's us?

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 8:06am:


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Im not sure why you are obsessed with my job.

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There's a nice moderate statement. If I was Roosevelt, I would have given the order too. I wouldnt send millions of my guys to die in bloody street battles that would have made Stalingrad look like a summer picnic. Maybe you would have - minds may differ.

It seems to me your agenda is just to hate on and be against pretty much anything the West has done or is doing. Everyone has to have a hobby I guess.

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Don't even know who that is sadly. But, I'm doing ok for money, so I dont really need a supplementary income. Keysar Trad could use an assistant though, if you needed some pocket money.

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In terms of Hamas, they are very good at demonising themselves. Just posting their own videos where they talk about slaughtering jews etc is very good at presenting the opposite side of view. Maybe they need to make more shows with their Mickey Mouse character to show their humane side.

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Thanks for the tip from the top.

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It's what I call 'Fairyland Thinking'. It is an illness that has pervaded the modern age. It exists on both the micro level:

- If a person attacks you in the street, you should never hit them back, but you should reason with them. They are just poor desperate people looking for money.

- if a person breaks into your house, you should never use a weapon to defend yourself. That weapon will just be taken from you and used on you OR the person in the house just wants some money. So give them some money, and they wont brain damage with their prybar, and, you dont need a gun to defend yourself, because if you call the cops, the burglar will wait while the police respond in a hot minute to help you.

- if a person attacks the police with a knife, a brick, a gun - the cops should not shoot back, or use their weapons to defend themselves. That poor person may be mentally ill, the police need to negotiate.

- if suicide bombers committed to annihilating your country fire 6000 rockets into your residential neighbourhoods, what you need to do - is talk with them. Sit down. Have a cup of tea. Don't shoot back! Heaven forbid - you might hit some innocent people.

- don't use the nuclear bombs on Japan, in a war they started, where they treated POWs in the most despicable ways imaginable, beheadings, torture, starvation. Where the Allies lost about 200,000 guys bombing, shooting, burning every single Japanese out of every bunker, cave, rock, cliff face in the Pacific. No, once the Allies got to their actual homeland, the home of the Emperor, the Banzai troops would have surrendered, so no need for nuclear weapons.

Instead what you should do, is negotiate. See if you just talk enough, they will surrender, everyone can go home and thats much nicer isnt it?

Good parody of how modern Fairyland Thinking would have covered the D-Day Landings:

muso wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 9:33am:


It's not about that man.

It's about remembering the people who have gone, and the supreme sacrifice they made so we can live here. People gave their lives, so its about remembering that. And seeing old friends too.

Just a little more than 60 years ago, there were Jap subs in Sydney Harbour.

Now if the Americans had not destroyed the Jap carriers, in the Coral Sea and Midway, those carriers would have sailed down to Sydney and wipe the place out with 1000s of planes. As they did with everything north of Australia before they were turned back by the Allies.

muso wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 10:02am:



This is true. But the other truth is, we get the politicians we deserve.

And with the muppet values many people are wandering around with today, is it any wonder, that we have muppet politiicans?

Grendel wrote on Jan 14^th, 2009 at 10:03am:


I'm not sure, but I think he means the way that pollies show up at all the memorials and stuff, as if its Stolen Valor in a sense.

On the other hand, pollies would be criticised for NOT showing up. So its a two-edged sword for them.