How the hell do you know that isn't Israeli/US propaganda?  

In fact the little boy looks Jewish.

Mantra, you cannot tell the people apart by their looks. As Abu pointed out, most Arabs are semites. The bombs strapped to their chest identify them as Palestinian.

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Ok FD - well how do you know it isn't Israeli propaganda then?  What makes you so certain these photos haven't been doctored?  Anyone can get those bags - there probably stuffed full of paper - you don't know.

Does anyone have a map of the population density of Palestine? Something by which to judge Abu's claim that there are no places without appartment buildings?

Interesting - Calanen.  Maybe there is some truth in it.  

Just remember - suicide bombing only commenced in the 80's - why do you think that is?

It's the humanitarian factor that is my concern and the ignorance of many of the posters on this forum.

Bleh, giving up...tried to post the map here for u. But in short, there are plenty of places to put your rocket launchers not in schools or apartment complexes.

mantra wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 6:30pm:


Don't you think it's a little bit different - teaching boys to be proud of their grandfather defending Australia from Japan, than teaching them to be proud of blowing yourself up in a cafe? If you can't see that there is a difference, then there really is not a lot of hope.

I think that most people could see the difference, and would be horrifed to see children indoctrinated into the cult of suicide bombing.

I wont go all jingoistic on you - but comparing ANZACs to suicide bombers really is beyond the pale.

You're the sort of person I'd love to debate on TV mantra. I'd verbally fillet you.

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Explosives are better now?  You couldnt really drive a huge wagon full of gunpowder into the enemy camp.

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What you term ignorance is disagreeing with your point of view. People might disagree with my point of view, but I mostly dont fit the definition of ignorance. Everyone gets things wrongs from time to time. I learn something new every day. But I also try to learn something new every day.

I also know that Islam has conned the West. The saying goes that the best trick the devil ever pulled was by convincing us that he didnt exist. In this case, Islam has convinced most people that it is just weird misunderstander Islam that is a threat, when it is my belief that all Islam is a threat, and it is just some people within it, very few, who are not.

mantra wrote on Jan 13^th, 2009 at 7:01pm:


It's not a question of right and wrong, it's about presenting the argument. Passionately presenting a silly argument, well just makes you seem passionately silly.

One thing I am accomplished in is public speaking. I give papers at conferences and present seminars, as well as appear in court.