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HAMAS stages hospital scene for CNN - Pallywood
Jan 10th, 2009 at 10:18am
 
CNN broadcast a video of a person supposedly being worked on in a hospital that then died while the cameras were there. While that of course could happen during a war, this video was staged:



http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/32393_A_Staged_Scene_in_a_Gaza_Hospital_-_Update-_CNN_Yanks_Video

LGF member 'Last Mohican' says as follows:

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I’m no military expert, but I am a doctor, and this video is bullsh-t. The chest compressions that were being performed at the beginning of this video were absolutely, positively fake. The large man in the white coat was NOT performing CPR on that child. He was just sort of tapping on the child’s sternum a little bit with his fingers. You can’t make blood flow like that. Furthermore, there’s no point in doing chest compressions if you’re not also ventilating the patient somehow. In this video, I can’t tell for sure if the patient has an endotracheal tube in place, but you can see that there is nobody bag-ventilating him (a bag is actually hanging by the head of the bed), and there is no ventilator attached to the patient. In a hospital, during a code on a ventilated patient, somebody would probably be bagging the patient during the chest compressions. And they also would have moved the bed away from the wall, so that somebody could get back there to intubate the patient and/or bag him. In short, the “resuscitation scene” at the beginning is fake, and it’s a pretty lame fake at that.

So the question is, were they re-enacting the resuscitation scene by repeating their actions on a corpse, because the child had died earlier? It’s likely that the answer is no, that child is still alive, and is just an actor pretending to be a child who was killed. Why do I say that? Because the big guy in the white coat, if he’s really a doctor, nurse, nurse’s aid, EMT, or any sort of health care provider at all would be entirely aware that tickling the boy’s sternum doesn’t really look like actual chest compressions. If the boy was dead, the man would have done a more convincing job in compressing the chest. The taps on the chest that he’s doing are the sort of thing you see in bad TV dramas, when you don’t want to make the poor actor playing the victim uncomfortable by really pushing on his chest. I think the man in the white coat knows this child is actually alive, and is making the simulated chest compressions gentle so as not to hurt the child.
My guess is that he assumed the videographer, like those on better TV shows, would have been smart enough not to film as far down as the man’s hands on the chest.



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Reply #1 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 11:45am
 
yes, the CPR courses I have done on dummies is entirely different to that.
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Reply #2 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 11:49am
 
Meeting the locals

One of the company commanders runs over and excitingly tells us that the "Caterpillars" – D9 bulldozers used by the IDF – have uncovered a tunnel full of containers; but someone tells him that this tunnel is a familiar find. We head out to inspect the tunnel, which is located in fairly dangerous territory, in order to decide what to do with it.

We get a short security briefing, individual "combat numbers" and off we go, moving through the alleys, the soldiers pointing their weapons at the top floors or the holes in the walls, as need be. Hamas is nowhere to be found, but it could reappear at any moment. We arrive at an open area and the troops deploy quickly. We are treading through the Gaza quagmire – and there is a lot of it around.

We run across a local family in one of the buildings. Grandparents, a few young parents, some children and a few toddlers. Sitting on a rug, their legs are covered in blankets and two soldiers are standing guard nearby. "What about them?" I ask. "They're free to go if they want to, but they don't want to," said Eilon Perry, Givati's operations officer. "They informed us they would be staying in the house and we have no choice but to accept that."

Palestinian family insists on staying (Photo: Ron Ben-Yishai)

The family suddenly notices the cameras, and immediately, the expression on their faces changes. "We have no food," they say in Arabic, as one of the youngsters suggests we interview him in English about their plight. Givati troops are extremely concerned about being portrayed as abusing innocent civilians.

Perry points to a stack of canned goods, water bottles and other provisions. "We provided some of that and they cook and eat quite well," said Perry. The Palestinians seem to understand him and one of them smiles. It's a war – they had to try.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3653238,00.html

Indeed they did - as Mohammed himself said 'War is deceit.' Al Taqiya habibi, al taqiya.
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Reply #3 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 8:07pm
 
Over 700 people have died, thousands wounded, yet you think they have time in their schedule to take a break for a little theatrical trickery???

Are you normal?

People are dying all over the place in Gaza, the medical staff there, some of whom are international medical agencies are ABSOLUTELY swamped with dying and horrifically injured civilians, but if trying to claim it's staged makes you feel easier about it, so be it. Your conscience that needs to be soothed, not mine.
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Reply #4 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 8:13pm
 
Well you go over there and tell those fellow Muslims of yours the idiotic morons who kept bombing innocent Israeli citizens that its all their fault and they should stop it.  Also tell them to stop hiding in heavily populated areas and wear a uniform if they are waging war so the enemy can recognise them from the ordinary citizens.

Etc, etc, etc...
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Reply #5 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 8:15pm
 
So your officeial response is:

'couldn't be staged because they were too busy.'

I'm not a doctor, I'm a lawyer. But I was trained in first aid, and I know that what purports to be chest compression and CPR is just light taps on the chest. There is also as the doctor says above there, no use of the bag or breathing apparatus.

I would have a field day cross-examining a doctor for their *Negligence* as demonstrated in that video, if it were real. Regrettably, though, it is not.

The doctor in the video, the Norwegian, Dr Mads (who is Mad) is a Marxist Revolutionary, and made comments in support of 9/11. It would be just his style to stage this sort of thing for the camera.

And it was staged, there is no question about it.

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Reply #6 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 8:20pm
 
January 9, 2009

MORE ON CNN AND THAT FAKE GAZA VIDEO: “Now, more 12 hours later, even the empty video page is gone. Now, the link takes you to a text-only story with no evidence that a video ever existed. So, the video was questionable enough that it had to be removed, but the story supporting the fradulent video stays? That’s not bad journalism, that’s out and out propaganda.”

UPDATE: David Bernstein writes:

I watched the video yesterday, and the guy who was allegedly filming his brother’s death made an absurd claim along the lines of “my cousin and brother were playing on the roof, and Israel sent a drone with a special, small missile just for them” (assumedly to explain why the building wasn’t demolished by the missile. So, the claim is not just that Israel purposely targeted children, but that it keeps a special reserve of tiny missiles just for that task. Anyone with an IQ of three could have seen that the whole story was bogus…

Or at least been suspicious. But repeating anti-Israel lies verbatim has become standard “journalistic” procedure.

http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/65796/
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Reply #7 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 8:23pm
 
For goodness sake Abu or whatever your real name actually is or was...  it is a war....  W A R...  it is what HAMAS wanted and has been provoking for years.

No use crying about it now.
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Reply #8 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 8:24pm
 
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Well you go over there and tell those fellow Muslims of yours the idiotic morons who kept bombing innocent Israeli citizens that its all their fault and they should stop it.


Perhaps you should try giving this advice to non-Muslims too when they get attacked by Muslims. No?? Or is it reserved purely for Muslims? You're a hypocrite, pure and simple.

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Also tell them to stop hiding in heavily populated areas


Tell me, where are they going to go? Ever looked at a map of Gaza, besides there's absolutely no independant confirmation they are 'hiding in heavily populated areas'. In case you hadn't noticed, Israel has prevented any international media from entering.. wonder why? For their own safety... right?  Grin

Don't you feel a little embaressed, being so obviously gullible & deluded?

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and wear a uniform if they are waging war so the enemy can recognise them from the ordinary citizens.


As far as I'm aware all Hamas police and military personnel do wear uniforms, except for internal security forces (which is standard for intelligence services)... Perhaps you mean the politicians who are the victims of targetted assassinations?? Yeh they should be wearing uniforms shouldn't they, with a cap that has a big target on it....

Get real.
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Reply #9 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 8:31pm
 
Calanen,

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'couldn't be staged because they were too busy.'


The fact they are swamped with casualties raises two issues.

Firstly, they don't have time to be standing around doing this kind of stuff, they are already  stretched to the limit for time and resources.

Secondly, they have that many genuine victims laying around, what on earth would possess them to stage a mock up? Why would they need to? Are you trying to suggest by these claims that there's actually no casualties, and the whole situation there is faked?

Again, I think it's just your conscience's way of dealing with the fact that you know you're supporting shocking violence, tyranny and oppression.

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But I was trained in first aid, and I know that what purports to be chest compression and CPR is just light taps on the chest.


Well, if you have the same kind of credentials as sprint, ie. you've attended a first aid course, then please excuse me for not taking your word for it first time 'round. I do apologise.

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The doctor in the video, the Norwegian, Dr Mads (who is Mad) is a Marxist Revolutionary


Well that's it then Mr McCarthy, if he's a Marxist, then it's sealed, I believe it must be a fake.

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And it was staged, there is no question about it.


Soothe that conscience...
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Reply #10 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 8:38pm
 
ROTFLMAO

If you want to name call Abu at least get it righ eh...

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yes I know what GAZA is like.

I know the situation and don't play 
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with me and pretend that HAMAS and all the morons part of it don't.

they knew what they were getting into...  

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Reply #11 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 8:40pm
 
Oh and feel free to post an image of the HAMAS Palestinian Army uniform anytime...
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Reply #12 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 8:46pm
 
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Whilst not supporting Hamas, you are still off your tree.

Did you know special forces often don't wear uniforms? I am sure there are Israeli soldiers who operate without uniforms, and wear clothes similar to what their enemy does, as well as using the same type of weapons, just as America, Australia, and everyone else does. In order to blend in and not draw undue attention.

The point of going to war is not to die and be a 'hero', it is to complete an objective.

If you had 500 soldiers in your army, facing off against 5000, in a city, would you wear uniforms and make yourself easier to spot, or would you go for that thing they call camouflage and try and hide?
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Reply #13 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 8:56pm
 
Grendel,

If you'd bothered to actually watch the news at all, I'm ssure you would've seen Hamas uniforms before. They are blue. Anyway here is a story from the ABC about Israeli soldiers dressing up in Hamas uniforms... Kind of hard to dress up in something that doesn't exist, isn't it?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2007/09/09/2027746.htm
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Reply #14 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 8:58pm
 
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Oh no dear boy...  i want to see photos of them in uniform in the field confronting the enemy...  easy to be on parade in some ragtag costume another to be a real army abiding by the rules of war.

BTW that article didn't help you one little bit.
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Reply #15 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 9:03pm
 

Perhaps if Israel would actually allow media into the Gaza strip, you might see pictures I guess.

I'm really curious, aren't you even remotely suspicious why all international media have been barred from there?
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Reply #16 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 9:03pm
 
Grendel,

Australia, America, UK, Russia, China, Israel, EVERYONE, has soldiers who don't wear uniforms to war.

Like abu linked, Israel dresses up in Hamas uniforms.

It's very common.
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Reply #17 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 9:05pm
 
I'm sorry we all have uniforms...  what do you think we wear in the field easel...  you are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off base.
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Reply #18 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 9:16pm
 
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Perhaps if Israel would actually allow media into the Gaza strip, you might see pictures I guess.I'm really curious, aren't you even remotely suspicious why all international media have been barred from there?


Sadly Abu - the average person and those in high places don't care about the mess inside Palestine or the real numbers dead.  The media - as far as I know has never been able to get anywhere near the Gaza strip after a massacre.

What they don't know they make up - or have been fed untruths from Israel which is passed from one international newspaper to another.


For example, we found that in 2004, at a time when 8 Israeli children and 176 Palestinian children were killed – a ratio of 1 to 22 – Times headlines and lead paragraphs reported on Israeli children’s deaths at a rate almost seven times greater than Palestinian children’s deaths.

A one-month sub-study indicated that this disparity grew even larger when the entire article was analyzed, with Israeli children’s deaths mentioned (through repetitions of deaths reported on previous days) at a rate ten times greater than Palestinian children’s deaths.

Times coverage of deaths of all ages, while less dramatically skewed, showed similar distortion. In the first year of the current Palestinian uprising, which began in fall of 2000, we discovered that the Times reported prominently on 42 percent of Palestinian deaths, and on 119 percent of Israeli deaths (follow-up headline articles, we find, frequently push coverage of Israeli deaths over 100 percent). In other words, the Times reported Israeli deaths at a rate approximately three times greater than Palestinian deaths.

During this period over three times more Palestinians were being killed than Israelis.

Overall, we found that in every single category Times coverage reported Israeli deaths at rates three or more times greater than Palestinian deaths.


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Reply #19 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 9:23pm
 
This video appears to show Palestinian fighters, perhaps Hamas forces (looks like their blue uniforms) from Israeli TV.


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Reply #20 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 9:32pm
 
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Sadly Abu - the average person and those in high places don't care about the mess inside Palestine or the real numbers dead.


That's true Mantra, but still they don't want to make the same mistake they made in Lebanon, of allowing world public opinion of their actions to sour. That's why they've been very pro-active in 'feeding' the media and preventing bad press from getting out.


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Reply #21 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 9:46pm
 
Excuse me but just what GOOD PRESS comes out of war??????
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Reply #22 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 10:01pm
 
Grendel wrote on Jan 10th, 2009 at 9:05pm:
I'm sorry we all have uniforms...  what do you think we wear in the field easel...  you are waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off base.


Yes, standard troops will wear standard.

Non standard will wear non standard.

Start making sense and stop talking uninformed.
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Reply #23 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 10:03pm
 
Generally no press is good press (hence the prohibition on press entering). If it were a Muslim country, you'd be all crying how they're stifling free speech and open reporting, your hypocrisy is truly astounding.

And if there's no actual reports coming out of Gaza, then anything the IDF reports is instantly considered gospel truth, as there's no opposing story to counter it.


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Reply #24 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 10:12pm
 
There are many perspectives to look at when considering why the Israeli's wouldn't allow media in. A few quick ones are:

1. They are psycho murderers.

2. They don't want media getting killed.

3. They don't want to allow for the possibility of foreign fighters or human shields entering under the guise of media.

4. They are aware that much of the world media who arrives will possibly be against their cause, whether through honesty or propaganda, and they don't need enemy psy ops demoralising their troops and their support base.

5. They are covering up atrocities. See point 1.

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Reply #25 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 11:46pm
 
easel no use pouting and spouting rubbish.

You were wrong
got the bull by the tail.

can you identify the israeli troops in Gaza?

of course you can.

You cant identify the bloody Hamas because they don't waer uniforms they are a ragtag bunch of ratbags whose macho swagger and  ignorance is  beyond pathetic.

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Reply #26 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 11:58pm
 
Grendel, you are wrong.

Special forces are well known to wear local clothing and use local weapons when on certain missions.

No further discussion will be entered in to. Feel free to talk from your uninformed perspective, but don't expect me to ever lend you any credibility ever again.
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Reply #27 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 2:10am
 
Grendel,

I already posted a video showing them in uniform. Can you show me an example of them not wearing uniforms?

Thanks.
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Reply #28 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 5:05am
 
Didn't see it...  that abc link went to an article about Israelis wearing police uniforms.  oh dear.

They don't have a uniform....  they don't fight as an army or in uniform.

They wage war as a guerilla unit, not well drilled or disciplined almost as hopeless as the lebanese street wanderers who blow up their own buildings.  

They have no concern for their fellow palestinians or their children, they are beneath contempt.  Except for your of course.

Now... one last time provide images of an army uniformed fighting the enemy.
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Reply #29 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 6:48am
 
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Didn't see it...


The video is in reply #19.

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that abc link went to an article about Israelis wearing police uniforms.  oh dear.


Wearing HAMAS UNIFORMS. Read it a little more carefully.

"It said commandos dressed in the light blue fatigues of Hamas's paramilitary police Executive Force"

The Hamas paramilitary police are the only military arm of Hamas. They have uniforms and they've been wearing them during the conflict. You have been proven wrong, be man enough to admit it.


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Reply #30 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 7:25am
 
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The Hamas paramilitary police are the only military arm of Hamas. They have uniforms and they've been wearing them during the conflict. You have been proven wrong, be man enough to admit it.


All is fair in love and war.

All sides, Israelis and Hamas and Al Fatah wear each other's uniforms from time to time.

We even had US Delta guys dressed in Israeli uniforms on ops in Israel. Caused a big stir when the Delta guy posted a photo of it in his tell all book. The guy is now 'persona non grata' on any US government installation, or military installation.
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Reply #31 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 7:32am
 
easel wrote on Jan 10th, 2009 at 10:12pm:
There are many perspectives to look at when considering why the Israeli's wouldn't allow media in. A few quick ones are:

1. They are psycho murderers.

2. They don't want media getting killed.

3. They don't want to allow for the possibility of foreign fighters or human shields entering under the guise of media.

4. They are aware that much of the world media who arrives will possibly be against their cause, whether through honesty or propaganda, and they don't need enemy psy ops demoralising their troops and their support base.

5. They are covering up atrocities. See point 1.



The most important reason is not on your list. They dont want ops compromised or intel provided through media reports. 

That said, I think they could embed some reporters like they did in the US military.
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Reply #32 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 7:37am
 
Abu, you seem to have lost any ability to rationally, and fairly examine evidence, and arguments.
Some may identify the behaviour as symptomatic of a person who has been brainwashed, in your case, by the Islamic propaganda which you must be fed.

You are so unashamedly biased about any issue regarding Islam, that you even refuse to denounce Islamic terrorists.

You fail to accept the fact that Hamas is a terrorist organisation.

You fail to accept that they conscript civilians to limit the type of response of Israeli attacks, and even deliberately use heavily populated civilian areas to attack from, deliberately trying to provoke return fire from Israelis, that they know will result in civilian deaths, so they can use those deaths as propaganda material to demonise Israel.

You fail to acknowledge the lies, and deceit that the Islamists engage in, whether as an act of deceit on your part, or just a sign of gullibility, we can only guess at, because as you are a muslim, speaking to infidels, you are encouraged to lie and deceive by your religion, and religious leaders.

Which raises the very salient point of;
"Can you ever trust a muslim?"
As the only religion that actively encourages the immoral behaviour of lying, the obvious answer is that no, you can never really trust a muslim, and that is a huge problem for Islam, of it's own making.

You fail to acknowledge the fake videos that palestinians distribute, but whether that is by reason of stupidity or deceit, we can only guess at.

You fail to acknowledge that Hamas acts as a terrorist organisation, and not a military force, in the conventional interpretation, and that they refuse to follow conventional rules of war.

So in short;
YOU FAIL


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Reply #33 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 4:30pm
 
January 10, 2009
CNN Defends their Pallywood Error. Let’s See Mr. Mashharawi’s Rushes
Filed under: Intimidation of MSM, Media, Pallywood, al Durah Affair — Richard Landes @ 6:59 pm — Print This Post

The CNN footage from the Gaza Hospital is still hotly contested. Follow the multiple postings at LGF and an update at Powerline. Here below, I deal with CNN’s defense of the footage in detail because it so resembles the kinds of arguments that Charles Enderlin made about his own monumental gaffe with Talal abu Rahmeh and his “Al Durah” story.

January 9, 2009 — Updated 0034 GMT (0834 HKT)

Gaza video genuine, journalists say

You wouldn’t know it from the title, but there’s only one “journalist” whose opinion is cited in the article (unless Mashharawi the cameraman under suspicion is also considered a journalist).

Quote:
(CNN) — There’s no truth to accusations by bloggers that a Palestinian camera crew staged a video showing the death of the videographer’s brother after an Israeli rocket attack, said the team’s employer.

In the video, camerman Ashraf Mashharawi is seen holding his brother.

“It’s absolute nonsense,” Paul Martin, co-owner of World News and Features, said of accusations leveled by bloggers at videographer Ashraf Mashharawi.

“He’s a man of enormous integrity and would never get involved with any sort of manipulation of images, let alone when the person dying is his own brother,” Martin said. “I know the whole family. I know them very well. … [Mashharawi] is upset and angry that anyone would think of him having done anything like this. … This is ridiculous. He’s independent.”


I don’t know much about Paul Martin, but it’s clear he spends lots of time in Gaza, and manages to have considerable access to Hamas “militants” whose narrative he seems to feel the world needs to understand. In any case this remark is nothing short of breathtaking. Mashharawi’s about as “independent” as Diana Buttu.

The idea that a cameraman working in Gaza is not a militant for the Palestinian cause (perhaps not Hamas, but even that’s unlikely in the last years), is close to preposterous. No genuine independent could survive there for any period of time.

But the rhetoric is crucial here. Just like Charles Enderlin defending Talal, the ploy here is to present Palestinian cameramen as living up to the highest Western standards of journalism. And of course, this is only for public consumption. As Charles told me off the record when I pointed out that Talal’s rushes were full of staged scenes, “Oh sure, they do this all the time.” But on the record, “Talal is a top journalist.”

As for the “I know the whole family…” that’s just what Charles told me that Talal would never lie to him because their families had shared meals together. The credulity of these Western journalists who think that because they’ve sat down with their Palestinian colleagues and broken bread that means that their newfound friends would break ranks with their people’s struggle, is somewhat breathtaking.

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Raafat Hamdouna, administrative director at Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, said Friday that “Mahmoud Khalil Mashharawi, a 12-year-old, was brought to the hospital, and he was breathing, but he was hit in the head and all over his body by shrapnel. He died later in the hospital. He was treated by the Norwegian team. When he was brought in, he was breathing. The team did their best to save him. I am not really sure if they even tried to rush him to the surgery room, because he was badly hurt.”

Mashharawi’s video footage originally appeared on British television’s Channel 4 and later on CNN. It showed futile attempts by doctors to resuscitate Mashharawi’s 12-year-old brother, Mahmoud, after he and his 14-year-old cousin, Ahmed, had been wounded in what the family said was a rocket attack from a remote-controlled drone Sunday.

Ahmed also was taken to the hospital, but he had been fatally struck in the head and chest by shrapnel and had lost a foot, Hamdouna said. Hamdouna said the hospital records reported Ahmed’s age as 16, not 14, as the family said.

At the time of the attack, the family said, the two boys were playing on the rooftop of the family’s three-story house. The video showed a blood-splattered area where an explosion had taken place and where shrapnel had pierced the roof.

Mashharawi has regularly worked with World News and Features since 2004, Martin said. His multimedia company serves television, radio and newspapers.

Martin said accusations that Mashharawi owns a company that hosts Hamas Web sites were falsely based on Mashharawi having worked at a company that created the PS suffix to allow anyone of any political persuasion to create Palestinian Web sites.

The video footage appeared on CNN television networks and on CNN.com for 24 hours before CNN removed the material in the belief that it had no further right to use it. CNN, standing by the video, has since reposted it. Some bloggers had cited its removal as evidence that CNN did not stand by its reporting.


Note quite true - re internet sites.

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Re: HAMAS stages hospital scene for CNN - Pallywood
Reply #34 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 4:30pm
 
Responding to accusations that the resuscitation efforts of Mashharawi’s brother appeared inauthentic, Martin said that, based on his years of reporting from Gaza, doctors often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved.

This is rich. Note that CNN did not consult a doctor on this one, but Martin’s experience in Gaza.

I’ve consulted a doctor and a number of people with experience in CPR have commented both at my article at PJMedia and at LGF. But here it’s Martin’s long experience in Gaza that comes into play. There are two ways to explain this remark, neither of them working in the way Martin would like.

1) Doctors in Gaza are so incompetent that what appears to Western experts as a joke, really is their best effort. The incompetence is doubled by Martin’s qualifying remark: as commenters have noted, if the patient is dying, the CPR should be more vigorous.

2) Doctors “often go through such efforts even with little hope that a patient can be saved” as long as the cameras are rolling. Maybe Martin wasn’t paying attention to that detail.

In the video of the incident, the boy appears lifeless when brought to into the hospital.

In a brief conversation with CNN, Mashharawi said that doctors tried everything they could to save his brother and that he rejected suggestions that any of his work was inauthentic.

Before bloggers made their accusations, Mashharawi told CNN, “I believed at that moment if I didn’t record that nobody will believe what’s happened to my brother. Because it is unbelievable. Until now, I can’t believe what’s happened.”

It’s not clear what’s “unbelievable. That a child would be hit by rockets in a war zone and die in a hospital is hardly unbelievable. That one needed to film it for the sake of “proof” strikes me as pretty unconvincing.

That he filmed it to arouse anger against Israel with the pathos of the scene, strikes me as more likely; and as I argued in the Gaza Beach tragedy documentary I made, this is “exploiting grief.”

To get a sense of the difference in cultures here, no Israeli cameraman would film the death of a family member (or anyone else) and then give it to Western media to show the world the plight of the Israelis. None.

What’s most appalling about this article — but will eventually, I suspect, redound to CNN’s discredit — is that they ran this article based on the denial of two already committed sources. CNN made no effort to corroborate any of this. It’s just “he said, she said.”

What we need is the rushes that Ahraf Mashharawi shot that day, that we see in edited form. Like the rushes of Talal, we’ll be able to judge better what was going on that day if we could see them. And unlike Talal’s rushes, let’s see them uncensored. I suspect we won’t, because when it comes to the clash between Palestinian journalism, channeled through advocacy journalists, the clash between narrative and evidence is so great, they cannot afford to let us see.

I may be wrong. This may be genuine footage. I am open to being convinced so. But let us see the evidence.

http://www.theaugeanstables.com/2009/01/10/cnn-defends-their-pallywood-error-lets-see-mr-mashharawis-rushes/
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Re: HAMAS stages hospital scene for CNN - Pallywood
Reply #35 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 4:32pm
 
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Re: HAMAS stages hospital scene for CNN - Pallywood
Reply #36 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 5:49pm
 
CNN's Staged Video Updates: The Norwegian Connection
Media | Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 11:09:37 am PST

European LGF reader “morning star” points out another interesting connection between the Norwegian doctor Mads Gilbert, and “freelance photographer” Ashraf Mashharawi:

Please note that Mads Gilbert knows or is part of a group in his home town Tromsoe in Norway, who long have planned to make a film together with Ashraf Mashharawi (the famous “freelance cameraman” in the video).

See

http://www.tromso-gaza.no/styrereferat081008.pdf

and

http://www.tromso-gaza.no/styrereferat081111.pdf

This group, which promotes friendship between Tromsoe and Gaza, also met Ahmed Mashharawi, a film maker with whom Ashraf Mashharawi has worked together, at a film festival.

This means Gilbert and Mahharawi probably knew each other before this incident.

And more connections surface; here’s a 15-minute documentary at the Danish site counteract.tv, titled “From the Camp.“

http://counteract.tv/?user=NUFFGlobal&slug=from_the_camp(0)

The credits contain several names that will be familiar if you’ve followed the threads:

Cameraman & Director: Ahmed Mashharawi
Script: Raid Dawoud
Editing: Ashraf Mashharawi
Narrator: Paul Martin

UPDATE at 1/10/09 12:04:46 pm:

Translations of the PDF files linked above:

translate.google.com...

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tr...

translate.google.com...

http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tr...
(Hat tip: Sugiero.)

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/32407_CNNs_Staged_Video_Updates-_The_Nor...
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Re: HAMAS stages hospital scene for CNN - Pallywood
Reply #37 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 5:55pm
 
CNN's Staged Video Updates

Media | Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 9:17:11 am PST

Here’s an interesting update to the story of the obviously staged video from Gaza promoted and vouched for by CNN.

The company that provided this video story to CNN and several other news outlets is World News & Features, as we pointed out yesterday after CNN published their defense of the piece.

At the lower right of the World News & Features front page, we find a link to Nepras.net as the designer of the site.

A WHOIS lookup for worldnf.tv reveals that the domain is hosted by Nepras.net:

Domain Name: WORLDNF.TV
Created on: 07-Feb-06
Expires on: 07-Feb-09
Last Updated on: 07-Feb-08

Administrative Contact:
Martin, Paul
World News & Features
High gatte
London N6 6AT
United Kingdom

Technical Contact:
Martin, Paul
World News & Features
High gate
London N6 6AT
United Kingdom

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.NEPRAS.NET
NS2.NEPRAS.NET

And the primary contact and general manager for Nepras.net is none other than the “freelance photographer” who filmed that hospital scene, Ashraf Mashharawi.

Overnight, I received several more emails from doctors and Emergency Medical Technicians (EMTs), all expressing the opinion that the video is staged and that the “CPR” shown is an obvious fraud, for many reasons. So far, not one doctor has written to say the technique shown in the video might be genuine.

UPDATE at 1/10/09 11:21:43 am:

And more connections to Hamas; the official website of the Hamas television station (Aqsa TV) was registered by Mashharawi’s company:

Domain Name: aqsatv.ps
Creation Date: 2006-03-13
Expiration Date: 2009-03-13
Status: Active

Domain Name Owner:
Name: aqsatv
Address: gaza
Tel:[redacted]
Fax:
Country: Palestine

Administrative Contact:
Name: aqsatv
Address: gaza
Tel: [redacted]
Fax:
Country: Palestine

Technical Contact:
Name: aqsatv
Address: gaza
Tel: [redacted]
Fax:
Country: Palestine

Registrar:
Name: Nepras For Media & IT
Address: [redacted]
Tel: [redacted]
Fax: [redacted]
WebSite: www.nepras.com

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Reply #38 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 5:57pm
 
UPDATE at 1/9/09 6:34:14 pm:

CNN now responds to the charge that Mashharawi worked for a company that operates Hamas websites:

Quote:
Martin said accusations that Mashharawi owns a company that hosts Hamas Web sites were falsely based on Mashharawi having worked at a company that created the PS suffix to allow anyone of any political persuasion to create Palestinian Web sites.


According to Internet Haganah’s database of terror website hosts, in 2004 nepras.net, which lists Mashharawi as general manager, was the operator of the main Hamas website and the website of Hamas’ radio station Voice of Al Aqsa.

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:d_tSK-nSF74J:internet-haganah.us/hmedia/05s...

UPDATE at 1/9/09 6:51:37 pm:

This is the website of World News & Features, cited by CNN as a reliable source for news from Gaza. Please excuse me while I laugh.

http://www.worldnf.tv/

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/32404_CNN_Says_the_Video_is_Genuine
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Re: HAMAS stages hospital scene for CNN - Pallywood
Reply #39 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 6:19pm
 
Well I don't need convincing, I clicked on the video, before I read your post which said it was fake, and as an ex lifesaver, who used CPR for real, I immediately thought, "what the heck is he doing?", when the doctor was doing the, to my eyes, 'OBVIOUSLY' fake CPR.

Then I read your post, which was someone with even more experience of using CPR, saying exactly the same thing I thought.

What is most amazing is that anyone would try and defend what was portrayed, as looking even remotely real.
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Reply #40 - Jan 11th, 2009 at 6:24pm
 
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What is most amazing is that anyone would try and defend what was portrayed, as looking even remotely real


Yes, well being an apologist is a full time job, defend the indefensible, promote the unbelievable, twist, deny, obfuscate until hopefully people give up. Muddy the waters with doubt - Al Taqiyya is your duty habibi.

They can lie for now - the infidels will know the truth - soon enough.
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Reply #41 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:51am
 
Calanen wrote on Jan 10th, 2009 at 11:49am:
The family suddenly notices the cameras, and immediately, the expression on their faces changes. "We have no food," they say in Arabic, as one of the youngsters suggests we interview him in English about their plight. Givati troops are extremely concerned about being portrayed as abusing innocent civilians.


this actualy isn't that strange. people in war aren't always walking around wailing and screaming. they do carry on as best they can- but if there's a camera around of course they're going to use the opportunity to air their grievances.
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Reply #42 - Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:00pm
 
Gaybriel wrote on Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:51am:
Calanen wrote on Jan 10th, 2009 at 11:49am:
The family suddenly notices the cameras, and immediately, the expression on their faces changes. "We have no food," they say in Arabic, as one of the youngsters suggests we interview him in English about their plight. Givati troops are extremely concerned about being portrayed as abusing innocent civilians.


this actualy isn't that strange. people in war aren't always walking around wailing and screaming. they do carry on as best they can- but if there's a camera around of course they're going to use the opportunity to air their grievances.


But it wasnt true, did you read the article? The IDF had given them a big pile of food.
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Re: more Pallywood - failed attempt
Reply #43 - Jan 21st, 2009 at 12:56pm
 
Calanen wrote on Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:00pm:
Gaybriel wrote on Jan 20th, 2009 at 11:51am:
Calanen wrote on Jan 10th, 2009 at 11:49am:
The family suddenly notices the cameras, and immediately, the expression on their faces changes. "We have no food," they say in Arabic, as one of the youngsters suggests we interview him in English about their plight. Givati troops are extremely concerned about being portrayed as abusing innocent civilians.


this actualy isn't that strange. people in war aren't always walking around wailing and screaming. they do carry on as best they can- but if there's a camera around of course they're going to use the opportunity to air their grievances.


But it wasnt true, did you read the article? The IDF had given them a big pile of food.


I highlighted that snippet for a reason- to say that their changing expressions in and of itself are not enough to say it wasn't true. so if one saw it in another video you couldn't say- oh well they all of a sudden became sullen or angry so it mustn't be true.

I'm not saying this video is real I'm just saying that if you look at that 'piece of evidence', it's not really evidence at all as the reaction would not be an unusual one
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