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Jan 9th, 2009 at 3:12pm
 

Sadly, far too many in the Muslim world see everything through a prism that they are always the victims.
It will be difficult to change that perception among most Muslims who adhere to it.
Are there instances around the world when Muslims are victims and have legitimate grievances? Of course.
Just as there are instances when Christians, Jews, Hindus, and those of other faiths are victims and have legitimate grievances.

The difference is that it is Muslims, and not those of other faiths, who blew up the World Trade Center.
It is Muslims, and not those of other faiths, who have engaged in 11,000 acts of terrorism since 9/11.
It is Muslims, and not those of other faiths, who engaged in mass rallies protesting cartoons that lead to the deaths of those of other faiths.
It is Muslims, and not those of other faiths, who demand at the UN that no public criticism of their religion be allowed.
It is Muslims, and not those of other faiths, who demanded that a teacher be executed for allowing her students to name their teddy bears “Mohammed.”

To those moderate, peaceful Muslims everywhere who disagree with the militancy of their fellow Muslims across the world, we say to you, “rise up and speak out, en masse, against that militancy.”
Unfortunately, the record of the past few years does not inspire confidence that any more than a few courageous souls will do so.
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Reply #1 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 5:58pm
 
I certainly see the type of victim mentality, that you refer to, displayed by the pro-Islam posters here, and like you qualified in your post, there is often valid reasoning behind it, even if it is ultimately, negative, and destructive for them.

The statistics trotted out about terrorism are troubling, but so to, is the US record of aggression against muslim countries, but you failed to mention that.

So, while we are talking of victim mentality, we should not exclude ourselves, those of us who fear the consequences which a strong and aggressive Islamic ummah, may impose upon our society.

The fear of just how far they could go, has people like myself, who previously was strongly against, US, and Israeli aggression, redefining my stance on these issues, because I fear for the personal freedoms of my children, if Islam keeps growing, unchecked, in the direction that the Islamist extremists are taking it.

So we see this strange dichotomy, where both sides of a conflict, identify themselves as the victims, of the aggression of the other side, and therefore we must ask ourselves, if perhaps we aren't, to some extent, both right?

We should also consider the philosophical question of the capacity for evil, which resides within us all.
We sit here safely at our desks, justifying the deaths of one side or the other, as unavoidable consequences of war, but who of us has experienced such horrors?
Who could maintain the same, seeming indifference, to the suffering of people, along religious, or cultural lines, if we were dealing with it in anything but an abstract concept?

To wilfully demonise our opponents, is exactly the mindset that we condemn, and deplore, about terrorists, and extremists, but to some extent, are we all not at least a little guilty of doing the same thing?

I despair at the extremist Islamophobic position that so many, who criticise Islam take, when they fail to separate the extremist Islamist position, from that of a normal muslim.

We see much condemnation of Islam as being intrinsically evil, and here we see amazing hypocrisy from people of other faiths, whose own holy books are filled with messages of hatred and bigotry also, but they overlook those faults, because the vast majority do not incorporate these negative teachings into their everyday lives, or personal morality.

The fact that ordinary muslims can do the same thing, and define a good, healthy personal moral code for themselves, by interpreting their scriptures in a generous and loving way, seems to be a concept which they fail to accept.

I usually try and claim the moral high ground for myself, at this point, because of the fact that I use no other man's scriptures or teachings to define my personal morality, and obviously I believe that is a better way of defining personal morality, because it truly is personal, rather than imposed by a religious authority, but in essence we all do the same thing, whether we choose a religions framework to superimpose our beliefs onto or not.

The real problems manifest themselves, most apparently, when people totally abrogate any personal responsibility for their moral code, and merely follow the teachings of someone else.
This separation of themselves from moral decision making, provides perfect fodder for charismatic leaders who may choose to direct these lost souls as they will, hence comes the good man, prepared to do evil, in god's name.

I think it is time for me to re-appraise my personal stance on these issues, the shades of gray are getting just too blurred to allow any definitive position to go unquestioned.
I think it is time to simplify, each man is my brother, I just have to try and stop forgetting that.
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Reply #2 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 6:01pm
 

I am sorry but Muslim victimhood is a joke. It is absolutely ridiculous. Absurd.




Symptoms of Offended Muslim Syndrome (OMS)

  • Irritability, agitation, anxiety at the sight of women who are not fully covered
    Prolonged rage or unexplained killing sprees
    Significant changes in immigration patterns
    Brooding about the past glory of the Caliphate
    Decreased effectiveness and minimal work productivity
    Difficulty in understanding new information without a trial lawyer
    Feelings of despair or hopelessness about the existence of Israel
    Recurring thoughts of death to the infidels



In order to guard against OMS, health officials warn individuals who are at risk to make sure that the objective reality they are exposed to does not:

- Make them aware of the outside world
- Trigger curiosity about the Western notions of "logic" or "rationality"
- Make life more enjoyable
- Cause them to question the need for martyrdom
- Have side effects such as independent thinking and longing to live as a productive individual
- Create an illusion that communication with infidels is possible without hostage-taking

Spontaneously developed methods and techniques are already in place to help OMS sufferers: the Paris Youth Group, the Gaza System, the Beirut Procedure, and, of course, the Zawahiri Method - an easy-to-learn, do-it-yourself way to eliminate anxiety whenever you find anything offensive, by removing any negative thought or feeling below the neck of the offending party.
This method has proven to be particularly effective in breaking the patterns of thought and behavior among non-Muslims, whose very existence is suspected to be the leading cause of pain of anxiety afflicting the Muslim world.


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Reply #3 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 6:11pm
 
In my view, theree is no room for equivocation about political islam. It is to be opposed completely. It has no merit.

As a road to personal salvation, as a religion, Islam deserves neither more nor less respect than any other religion.





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