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Jan 9th, 2009 at 1:55am
 
No doubt Hamas is to blame for the deaths of these people or for the fact their children had to huddle around their dead parent's corpses for days, starving to death whilst Israeli soldiers prevented international medical agencies from entering to check for survivors....

the inhumanity of it is truly sickening.

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Israel accused over Gaza wounded


The Red Cross has accused Israel of failing to fulfil its obligation to help wounded civilians in Gaza.

ICRC staff found four weak and scared children beside their mothers' bodies in houses hit by shelling in Zeitoun.

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Thursday's Israeli bombardment was the heaviest so far

The Israeli military has not yet responded to the accusation, but said it worked closely with aid groups so that civilians could get assistance.

Meanwhile, the United Nations said it was suspending aid operations in Gaza because of the danger to its staff.

"Unwra decided to suspend all its operations in the Gaza Strip because of the increasing hostile actions against its premises and personnel," a UN spokesman was quoted by Reuters news agency as saying.

On Thursday, the UN relief agency Unwra said one person had been killed and two injured when a fork-lift truck on a UN aid mission came under Israeli tank fire at Gaza's Erez crossing.

The Israeli army says it is looking into the matter.

The aid agencies' concerns come amid fears the conflict with Gaza militants may spread, with rockets fired on Israel from Lebanon.

At least three rockets were fired into northern Israel, prompting Israel to reply with artillery.

The incident followed Israel's heaviest bombardment so far on Gaza in nearly two weeks of conflict, with 60 air strikes targeting Hamas facilities.

Israeli forces observed a three-hour pause in fighting to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza.

The first of what was promised to be a daily ceasefire - on Wednesday - allowed aid agencies into the territory for the first time in days.

Efforts have continued to broker a full ceasefire - a senior Israeli official is in Cairo to hear details of a plan put forward by Egypt and France.

A Hamas delegation is expected in the Egyptian capital at some stage for parallel "technical" talks, Egyptian diplomats said.

'Access denied'

The International Committee of the Red Cross accused Israel of failing in its international obligations after its staff were met with "shocking" scenes.

One medical team found 12 bodies in a shelled house, and alongside them four very young children, too weak to stand, waiting by their dead mothers, the ICRC said.

Aid workers had been denied access to the site for days, it added.

"This is a shocking incident," Pierre Wettach, ICRC head for Israel and the Palestinian territories said in a statement.

"The Israeli military must have been aware of the situation but did not assist the wounded. Neither did they make it possible for us or the Palestinian Red Crescent to assist the wounded."

Correspondents say the criticism is unusually strong, coming from an agency considered to be neutral.

The Israeli army told Reuters news agency that any serious allegations would be properly investigated once a formal complaint was received.

Meanwhile, Amnesty International accused both sides of using civilians as human shields.

"Israeli soldiers have entered and taken up positions in a number of Palestinian homes, forcing families to stay in a ground floor room while they use the rest of their house as a military base and sniper position," it said in a statement.

While Palestinian families reported that in some cases Palestinian gunmen agreed to leave areas near civilian homes without firing at Israeli forces, the statement went on, "in other cases they have refused the residents' requests and only left after firing".

Nursing home

At least three Katyusha rockets were fired from southern Lebanon into the northern Israeli area of Nahariya early on Thursday.

Source: BBC
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Reply #1 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 2:09am
 

Is it stopping the rockets coming over?
Did she vote in the hamas ?
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Reply #2 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 3:07am
 
Apparently the rockets are still being fired.

She? do you mean the little children huddled around their dead parents?
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Reply #3 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 7:01am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 9th, 2009 at 3:07am:
Apparently the rockets are still being fired.

She? do you mean the little children huddled around their dead parents?





ISLAM is a death cult.

Dying in the cause of Allah is
celebrated
, by all devout muslims.


"The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)." "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...


"The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Were it not for some men amongst the believers who dislike to be left behind md whom I cannot provide with means of conveyance, I would certainly never remain behind any Sariya' (army-unit) setting out in Allah's Cause. By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Al1ah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...


"The Prophet said, "Nobody who enters Paradise likes to go back to the world even if he got everything on the earth, except a Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times because of the dignity he receives (from Allah)." "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...


"Allah's Apostle said, "Allah welcomes two men with a smile; one of whom kills the other and both of them enter Paradise. One fights in Allah's Cause and gets killed. Later on Allah forgives the 'killer who also get martyred (In Allah's Cause)." "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...



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Reply #4 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 7:27am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 9th, 2009 at 3:07am:
Apparently the rockets are still being fired.

She? do you mean the little children huddled around their dead parents?






ISLAM is a death cult.

Dying in the cause of Allah is
celebrated
, by all devout muslims.

Hamas [ISLAM]
encourages
children to aspire to become suicide bombers, or 'martyrs'.

You may not like this information being exposed.

But it is the TRUTH about what ISLAM's aims are, and about how those aims may 'legitimately' be pursued by devout muslims.

ISLAM wants 'innocent' victims, which it can display to 'shame' its enemy,
....while at the same time ISLAM wants, and encourages its own confederates to become those 'martyrs',  for 'the cause of Allah'.
....that is the duality of ISLAM.
....to portray itself as the victim of the violence of 'unbelievers', while at the very same time it is warring mercilessly, against its 'enemies'.


The cause of Allah, the obligation upon all muslims, is to impose Sharia, upon 'unbelief' [all remaining non-muslims].

And that is what ISLAM teaches, to its children.

Use children as troops, says cleric
By Luke McIlveen and staff writers
January 18, 2007
SYDNEY'S most influential radical Muslim cleric has been caught on film calling Jews pigs and urging children to die for Allah.
.........Sheik Feiz says in the video.
"We want to have children and offer them as soldiers defending Islam. Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21074839-2,00.html
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php


The cause of Allah,  is also known as the JIHAD.



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The Hadith...

Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/002.sbt.html#001.0...





The Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh is the ISLAMIC equivalent of 'The Archbishop of Canterbury' in Saudi Arabia.

And this is what he had to say about Jihad (religious fighting), and when it is justified ['sanctified' by ISLAM]...

September 23, 2006
"...the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Sheikh Abdel Aziz al-Sheikh.
...Saudi Arabia's most senior cleric also explained that war was never Islam's ancient founder, the prophet Mohammed's, first choice: "He gave three options: either accept Islam, or surrender and pay tax, and they will be allowed to remain in their land, observing their religion under the protection of Muslims." Thus, according to the Grand Mufti, the third option of violence against non-Muslims was only a last resort, if they refused to convert or surrender peacefully to the armies of Islam....."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20460114-601,00.html








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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #5 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 7:55am
 
Abu, Once again you look past the obvious, to place blame on those you despise.

The shocking situation of those children is indeed horrific, but whilst you condemn Israelis for not rendering assistance, it never occurred to you to even consider why the palestinians did not do anything to help these kids.

The Hamas fighters are all too happy to martyr themselves sending rockets over the border, but not in seeking to rescue the sick or injured?

The probable truth is that no-one knew they were there.

The constant flow of horrific stories will continue, until some peace is brought to the region, now the question is what will bring peace, just going back to what they were all doing a fortnight ago, or trying something different?

I despise all violence, but I also know that people use it, because it works, so I just hope that when this current conflict ends, that both sides can try something different.

I cannot see how the Israelis can tolerate leaving a militant palestinian presence on their doorstep, to rain down terror attacks on them, these people need to be separated, until there comes a time when they can truly attempt to live peaceful lives, and that will not happen, until the Palestinians abandon their aim of ejecting Israel from the region.

Some palestinian leader needs to teach them, that they need to learn to respect Israels right to exist.
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Reply #6 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 8:01am
 
Sure, Yadda yadda yadda - Denounce all you can. Born again Christianity has also been described as a Dealth Cult by a certain Catholic Archbishop. That's just what we need - more religious hot air to keep the fires of war burning.

What we have in the Middle East is stupidity weakness and cowardice on both sides. True bravery would be to look at the situation objectively, especially looking at ways in which to stop the slaughter, not perpetuate it.

I don't take sides, but it is stupid and cowardly to kill innocent people on both sides. Every time it's somebody's mother, father, son, daughter. The whole violent process brings out the worst of human emotions - those of revenge , hatred and retribution.

The sad thing is that neither side has the balls or maturity to stop it, and they must wait for an outside party to mediate. It's an example of humanity at its worst, and the fighting needs to stop.  
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Reply #7 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 8:15am
 
Yes Muso, they do need to stop, but to stop, without effecting any change, would just leave us where we were, with the situation unchanged, and just waiting for the next flare up.

I think it was Einstein who defined insanity as repeating the same thing, but expecting a different outcome.

My hope is that palestinians are beaten, and that from that defeat, they finally accept that they have lost.

If they accept that they have lost, they can then give themselves permission to stop fighting.

Of course I do not expect it will happen, I despair at the mentality that thinks a few more rockets, and a few more suicide bombers, will show the great muslim ummah the will to succeed, and they will rise up as one, and purge the earth of the infidels.

The merging of nationalistic, and religious extremism, makes it hard to imagine an end to this conflict.
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Reply #8 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 8:20am
 
muso wrote on Jan 9th, 2009 at 8:01am:
Sure, Yadda yadda yadda - Denounce all you can. Born again Christianity has also been described as a Dealth Cult by a certain Catholic Archbishop. That's just what we need - more religious hot air to keep the fires of war burning.

What we have in the Middle East is stupidity weakness and cowardice on both sides. True bravery would be to look at the situation objectively, especially looking at ways in which to stop the slaughter, not perpetuate it.

I don't take sides, but it is stupid and cowardly to kill innocent people on both sides. Every time it's somebody's mother, father, son, daughter. The whole violent process brings out the worst of human emotions - those of revenge , hatred and retribution.

The sad thing is that neither side has the balls or maturity to stop it, and they must wait for an outside party to mediate. It's an example of humanity at its worst, and the fighting needs to stop. 




muso,

I agree with a lot of what you are saying here.

But still, many people such as yourself, will not admit the essential TRUTH,
....that ISLAM is a death cult.

More evidence to support that claim, is here,

"Israeli treatment of Palestinians"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229690857/118#118



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Islam is a lie and truth is killing it.

Posted by: Alaskan
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023681.php#c602722




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Reply #9 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 8:29am
 
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But still, many people such as yourself, will not admit the essential TRUTH,
....that ISLAM is a death cult.


So what should we do Yadda - eradicate the lot of them?  There are extremists in every religion and the Jews aren't exactly innocent victims.

Why do you think suicide bombing commenced only recently.  Are the Palestinians just supposed to roll over like dogs and accept defeat?  Unfortunately too many of them are damaged now.  They have spent too long being suppressed, bullied, starved, considered sub-human and living in a war zone.  They know no other life.

There are two sides to every story.  Have some compassion for the victims of war. 

Do you think the UN will find a homeland for them if they admit defeat?

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Reply #10 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 9:20am
 
mantra wrote on Jan 9th, 2009 at 8:29am:
Quote:
But still, many people such as yourself, will not admit the essential TRUTH,
....that ISLAM is a death cult.


So what should we do Yadda - eradicate the lot of them?  There are extremists in every religion and the Jews aren't exactly innocent victims.

Why do you think suicide bombing commenced only recently.  Are the Palestinians just supposed to roll over like dogs and accept defeat?  Unfortunately too many of them are damaged now.  They have spent too long being suppressed, bullied, starved, considered sub-human and living in a war zone.  They know no other life.

There are two sides to every story.  Have some compassion for the victims of war. 

Do you think the UN will find a homeland for them if they admit defeat?




mantra,

I saw your thread,
"Jewish terrorist gangs worse than Hamas"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1231387548/0#0

And i condemn those ppl, those Jews, who were involved in those violent acts of terrorism.



Quote:
So what should we do Yadda - eradicate the lot of them?


mantra,

While people in nationas such as Australia, will not face up to, and continue to deny the TRUTH, there will be no peace, or hope of peace - for any of us.

Whether we like it or not, whether we will admit it or not, ISLAM is incompatible, with our own culture.



If we truly want a solution to the 'problem' of ISLAM,
....the solution will begin, can begin, when we seek the TRUTH about what ISLAM really is, and what it allows, and why.

Until then it is war, never-ending until ISLAM wins.

11/05/2007
There Can Be No End to Jihad'

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/februaryweb-only/22.0.html




What can we positively do?

If we really want to survive this evil [which ISLAM is], we must decide to separate ourselves from this evil.

We must choose to separate ourselves from ISLAM.

How?

We can afford to let the people, the nominal 'muslims' who are prepared to denounce, and deny ISLAM, live among us.

But we must remove ISLAM, from among us.

It should be our governments policy,
  • to destroy all mosques,
  • deport all imam's,
  • and to deport any [and every] person who claims to practice, and follow, the political philosophy called, ISLAM.


That is the only solution for ourselves, in the West.

Will it happen???

No.

Why?

There are too many 'bleeding hearts', who HATE THE TRUTH.iDON'T BE DUPED BY ISLAM'S LIES! [about itself]

ISLAM is not a 'religion'.

ISLAM is not a 'religion', in the sense that non-muslims understand the word, 'religion'.

ISLAM hides behind, what it calls a religion, in its approach to 'unbelievers', ISLAM hides behind its 'veil'.

But ISLAM is not a 'religion'.

ISLAM is a political tyranny.

ISLAM, is pure evil, which is revealed in its 'religious' texts, its doctrines, and its 'religious' practices.

ISLAM is a political philosophy, ISLAM is not a 'religion' [by any standard of the word, used by us, non-muslims].i

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Reply #11 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 9:29am
 
This conflict is the clash of two great causes of right from which even god has abstained. Nobody will save the Palestinians, not even their brother neighbours, while they persist with their quixotic strategies with ends that are closer to the earning of honour by glorious defeat than a reasoned plan for ultimate success.

In fact so well does the tactic of launching rockets into Israel fall into a possible agenda for the justified destruction of the Palestinian presence in Gaza, that a conspiracy theorist would be forgiven for concluding that it’s the Mossad who are doing it.
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Reply #12 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 9:40am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 9th, 2009 at 9:29am:
This conflict is the clash of two great causes of right from which even god has abstained. Nobody will save the Palestinians, not even their brother neighbours, while they persist with their quixotic strategies with ends that are closer to the earning of honour by glorious defeat than a reasoned plan for ultimate success.

In fact so well does the tactic of launching rockets into Israel fall into a possible agenda for the justified destruction of the Palestinian presence in Gaza, that a conspiracy theorist would be forgiven for concluding that it’s the Mossad who are doing it.




helian,

LOL

I can hardly contain myself.
Wink

In response to your statement above,
Precisely!!!


I salute your impeccable logic!


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Reply #13 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:35am
 
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This conflict is the clash of two great causes of right from which even god has abstained. Nobody will save the Palestinians, not even their brother neighbours, while they persist with their quixotic strategies with ends that are closer to the earning of honour by glorious defeat than a reasoned plan for ultimate success.

In fact so well does the tactic of launching rockets into Israel fall into a possible agenda for the justified destruction of the Palestinian presence in Gaza, that a conspiracy theorist would be forgiven for concluding that it’s the Mossad who are doing it.


Very succinctly said Helian - and that's how it does look from the outside.  Perhaps we could consider the pain of those inside this ghetto - most human beings have some hope of a better life regardless of how they try to achieve it.  Hamas has given them some hope, and it may be wrong in our view, but to the people of Palestine, Hamas has offered them the very basics of sustenance and promises of a better future.

If they give up their fight for freedom as they see it - what's left for them?  Do they have land for agriculture?  Have they got the infrastructure to develop industry and the power to control their own economy?

They've got nothing but hope and if in our eyes it's the wrong sort of hope - that's their tough luck isn't it?  The Jews are the divine rulers - what they want is what they get.

In regard to that Jewish terrorist thread Yadda - I don't know whether you noticed that the leader of one of history's worst Zionist terrorist organisations became Prime Minister of Israel in 1977.  After his death Bush praised him on a job well done - promoting peace.  How farcical.

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Reply #14 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:49am
 
helian - hahahhha. Probably the cia is behind the rocket attacks into israel for the past 25 years !!!
Maybe israel is doing it to themselves !!!!!!!!!
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