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Re: Israel accused over Gaza wounded
Reply #15 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 12:11pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Jan 9th, 2009 at 7:55am:
Abu, Once again you look past the obvious, to place blame on those you despise.

The shocking situation of those children is indeed horrific, but whilst you condemn Israelis for not rendering assistance, it never occurred to you to even consider why the palestinians did not do anything to help these kids.

The Hamas fighters are all too happy to martyr themselves sending rockets over the border, but not in seeking to rescue the sick or injured?


well as we've heard, medical service, emergency services etc are already struggling to get to people and help people

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The probable truth is that no-one knew they were there.


it's entirely possible- but it still highlights even more the civilian cost of Israel's assaults
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Reply #16 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 12:21pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:49am:
helian - hahahhha. Probably the cia is behind the rocket attacks into israel for the past 25 years !!!
Maybe israel is doing it to themselves !!!!!!!!!

Yes, an ridiculously impossible suggestion. That's what makes the Palestinian strategy so futile.
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Reply #17 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 12:59pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Jan 9th, 2009 at 9:29am:
This conflict is the clash of two great causes of right from which even god has abstained. Nobody will save the Palestinians, not even their brother neighbours, while they persist with their quixotic strategies with ends that are closer to the earning of honour by glorious defeat than a reasoned plan for ultimate success.

In fact so well does the tactic of launching rockets into Israel fall into a possible agenda for the justified destruction of the Palestinian presence in Gaza, that a conspiracy theorist would be forgiven for concluding that it’s the Mossad who are doing it.



And so rightly do the Iraelis say: " Thank god we have the Arabs for enemies."
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Reply #18 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 2:22pm
 
mantra wrote on Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:35am:
Very succinctly said Helian - and that's how it does look from the outside.  Perhaps we could consider the pain of those inside this ghetto - most human beings have some hope of a better life regardless of how they try to achieve it.  Hamas has given them some hope, and it may be wrong in our view, but to the people of Palestine, Hamas has offered them the very basics of sustenance and promises of a better future.

If they give up their fight for freedom as they see it - what's left for them?  Do they have land for agriculture?  Have they got the infrastructure to develop industry and the power to control their own economy?

They've got nothing but hope and if in our eyes it's the wrong sort of hope - that's their tough luck isn't it?  The Jews are the divine rulers - what they want is what they get.

Mantra, I think the Palestinians will ultimately lose everything with their continued armed struggle. They cannot hope to succeed in their mission to annihilate Israel, which as a nuclear state is indestructible short of total devastation of the Middle East.

These are two righteous causes that cannot be resolved by violent means.

I believe what the Palestinians need are bridge-builder leaders, with enough conviction, courage and compassion to persist with a non-violent agenda despite the possibility of provocation and assault - Leaders who love their people more than the egocentric prospect of martyrdom (with all its selfish rewards) rising from under the dead bodies of their fellow citizens and the rubble of ignominious defeat.
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Reply #19 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 2:36pm
 
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I believe what the Palestinians need are bridge-builder leaders, with enough conviction, courage and compassion to persist with a non-violent agenda despite the possibility of provocation and assault - Leaders who love their people more than the egocentric prospect of martyrdom (with all its selfish rewards) rising from under the dead bodies of their fellow citizens and the rubble of ignominious defeat.


Well I can't argue with that logic Helian; it's very tragic that this is the only option left.  In 2009 we have a defeated people who desperately need a home because might is right.  Although I believe martyrdom is only a symptom of their plight.

All I can see is more bloodshed until the Palestinians are subdued - but the Israelis will become even more reviled than they currently are.  This will not be in their interests - or anyone's, in the long term.
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Reply #20 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 9:26pm
 
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Israel faces a particular challenge with regard to determining the legitimacy of intended targets. The presence of civilians in an area of conflict does not stop a military objective from being a legitimate target. Hamas, as a matter of strategy, refuses to uphold one of the most fundamental requirements of international humanitarian law - that of distinguishing between combatants and civilians and military installations and civilian properties.



have a read mantra...

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2461253.htm
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Reply #21 - Oct 20th, 2009 at 4:04pm
 
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http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45356000/jpg/_45356982_006690419-1.jpg


abu said, yes, abu said,

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 9th, 2009 at 1:55am:
No doubt Hamas is to blame for the deaths of these people......the inhumanity of it is truly sickening.






Yup.

Exactly correct abu.


The one thing worse than denying the Gaza report

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1253240308/31#31


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Reply #22 - Oct 20th, 2009 at 11:11pm
 
Yadda,

When you look at that picture, try to imagine that was someone's home... kids were perhaps playing... or maybe an entire family gathered together to eat a meal... real people, with real lifes, with real aspirations, with hopes that one day they'd be liberated from the military rule that every single one of them has had over his neck since the day he was born, except for the very few elderly who were still young when they became occupied... until it was bombed, yes bombed like Bali was bombed, like London was bombed, like Madrid was bombed, into smithereens. Try to feel the same when you look at that mangled mess of concrete and steel as you feel when you looked at the WTC, London, Madrid or Bali sites.... I know you cannot. In your twisted and hateful mind one group are real human beings, and the other are sub-human.... You have surrendered yourself to the Nazi-ideology of de-humanising the "other", so that dealing with their deaths is so much simpler.

You are a sad sad person, and I pity you.
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Reply #23 - Oct 21st, 2009 at 4:42pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 20th, 2009 at 11:11pm:
Yadda,

When you look at that picture, try to imagine that was someone's home... kids were perhaps playing... or maybe an entire family gathered together to eat a meal... real people, with real lifes, with real aspirations, with hopes





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with real aspirations, with hopes that one day they'd be liberated from the military rule that every single one of them has had over his neck
since the day he was born, except for the very few elderly who were still young when they became occupied.



Israel does not occupy Gaza.

If the mad Hamas, wanted to build a nation, they could give an indication that that,  was their intent.

They don't give any such indication.

They only declare daily, that they hate Jews, and that they wish to die.






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until it was bombed, yes bombed like Bali was bombed, like London was bombed, like Madrid
was bombed, into smithereens. Try to feel the same when you look at that mangled mess of concrete and steel as you feel when you looked at the WTC, London, Madrid or Bali sites.... I know you cannot. In your twisted and hateful mind one group are real human beings, and the other are sub-human....




Liar.

Hate filled insane moslems, bombed Bali.

Hate filled insane moslems, bombed London.

Hate filled insane moslems, bombed Madrid.



Israel's 'cast lead' was a response to continued rocket attacks upon its citizens,
.....from hate filled insane moslems.

In my opinion, Israel did not go far enough.

Those moslems continually declare that they wish to die for Allah.

God willing, Israel please, give them their own declared wish.






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You have surrendered yourself to the Nazi-ideology of de-humanising the "other"
, so that dealing with their deaths is so much simpler.

You are a sad sad person, and I pity you.




Everything you have accused me of [above], or accused Israel of [above], is EXACTLY DESCRIBING what moslems do themselves, and how moslems treat "others" who do not believe what they believe.

abu,

Objective facts show that you are an outrageous, absolute hypocrite, and an intolerant religious bigot.



"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."

Koran 9.123


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."

Koran 3.85



abu,

Go to hell.

Liar.

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Reply #24 - Oct 21st, 2009 at 5:09pm
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 20th, 2009 at 11:11pm:
one group are real human beings, and the other are sub-human.


de-humanising the "other",



Muslims are working tirelessly to make themselves into the 'other', parading their 'difference', protesting their destiny to rule all. They say they  'love death' like we love life, for Fusch's sake. In the process they have made themselves into the exotic, primitive, uncotrolled other.  A mass of angry, incohate 'others'. For us, among us, this behaviour is either anti-social or pathological, often both.

Hence the disdain for and incomprehension in the face of this particular set of 'others;, the Muslim mob.

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Reply #25 - Oct 21st, 2009 at 8:04pm
 
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Israel does not occupy Gaza.


Ghazzah is just a huge refugee camp, that is indeed occupied. And in case you only began counting history about 50 years ago, most of the people of Ghazzah are actually refugees who were expelled from other Palestinian cities, like Najd.

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Israel's 'cast lead' was a response to continued rocket attacks upon its citizens,


When you blockade a people whos country you've already stolen and occupied, and prevent them from functioning... what else do you think they're going to do???

If you were being blockaded like that, after having been expelled from your home... how would you respond Yadda?? Wouldn't feel like lobbing a few rockets??? Seems I was right... you consider one group of people valid human beings, who have a right to retaliate when they're being threatened, whilst the "other" are sub-humans who have no rights, other than the right to suffer.

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Go to hell.


Doesn't sound like a very Christly way to speak to others...

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Liar.


Quite ironic coming from the Apostle of falsehood.
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Reply #26 - Oct 22nd, 2009 at 10:25am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Oct 21st, 2009 at 8:04pm:
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Go to hell.


Doesn't sound like a very Christly way to speak to others...






'Go to hell'?


Its a 'scriptural' term abu.


2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.





Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2  And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.


Matthew 13:36
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.
37  He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38  The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39  The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40  As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41  The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42  And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.



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Reply #27 - Oct 22nd, 2009 at 10:37am
 
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'Go to hell'?

Its a 'scriptural' term abu.


Really?? Can you point me to the passage where Jesus (pbuh) tells someone to "Go to hell!"??

Only recently Yadda you were waffling on about how you are so kind and merciful because Christians wish Muslims to be saved (was it that other apostle of falsehood Waleed Shoebat maybe??) whilst Muslims prefer to kill all infidels....

I would not wish for you to goto hell Yadda... I'd wish for you to become a sincere monotheist and to enter the garden...
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