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Don't buy Husqvarna / Talon power tools
Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:38am
 
I purchased a Talon (Husqvarna) whipper snipper (line trimmer) yesterday afternoon. It stopped working after 10 minutes of use. I called the seller this morning and they gave me the number for a repair shop. The repair shop said there would be at least a 2 1/2 week wait to get it fixed. I called the seller again and asked if I could get a refeund or replacement instead. They refused. They gave me the number for Husqvarna in Sydney. I called them and they gave me the number for another repair shop. I called them and they said they don't deal with Husqvarna any more. They said that Husqvarna used to have a 14 day replacement policy and that previously they would not have even been allowed to repair a product that had only been used for 10 minutes because of that replacement policy.
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Reply #1 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:41am
 
I bought a Husqvarna sewing machine a few years ago and had a similar problem when I lost a basic foot.  It was impossible to replace it as they had just stopped stocking parts.  Fortunately I found this little old shop that happen to salvage second hand parts from other brands and I found one that fitted.

My electric whippersnipper is a Poulan Line Cutter - it cost $40, 20 years ago and it is perfect.  You can still get parts after all this time, although I haven't needed any.

From memory at the time I was hunting for this part Husqvarna had changed hands many times over the years - but this is the same with many of our modern products - they are next to useless once something breaks and no-one knows where you can get anything anymore.

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Reply #2 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:44am
 

bad luck F/D.

I'ld go for the money back guarantee
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Reply #3 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 3:50pm
 
mantra wrote on Jan 7th, 2009 at 11:41am:
I bought a Husqvarna sewing machine a few years ago and had a similar problem when I lost a basic foot.  It was impossible to replace it as they had just stopped stocking parts.  Fortunately I found this little old shop that happen to salvage second hand parts from other brands and I found one that fitted.



You should do a Captain Jean Luc Picard and just take it to the Husqvarna shop and say "Make it sew"
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Reply #4 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 4:11pm
 
I was actually tempted to turn up and demand a refund in person. Then if they refused, sit outside the store and attempt to start the thing every time a new customer turned up. It would look great sitting on the footpath beside the box it came in. Fortunately my time is worth more than that.

I had a closer look at the problem. The spark plug does not appear to be sparking. I got out the multimeter and it could pick up 40V AC across it. Apparently it is supposed to be 18000 V, but the multimeter may not pick that up anyway because it is so brief. The resistance across the plug is 12kV. Is that normal? Anyway, if it is the CDI coil (powers the plug) that is the problem, a replacement costs almost as much as a new whipper snipper, according to the repair shop. Yet they are still obligued to repair it instead of replacing the whole thing - he said that just after suggesting it is a 'throw away' item because the part costs nearly as much as the whole thing. I suspect their strategy is to make the warranty worthless by making it too much of a hassle for the customer to get it fixed. Even if you ignore the hassle for nthe customer, it would still have to cost them more to repair than to replace it.
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Reply #5 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 9:51pm
 
Consumers are entitled to a refund for faulty goods if they request it. They do not have to wait for the goods to be repaired. If you insist on a refund, they have to give it to you. Dont know which state you are in, but if they dont do it in NSW, you can bring a claim in the consumer claims tribunal. Dept of Fair Trading is pretty helpful as to how to bring your claim and so on.

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Reply #6 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:03pm
 
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Not according to the QLD government consumer people I spoke to. They said, repair, replacement or refund by by 'mutual agreement'.
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Reply #7 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:48pm
 
I do'nt think many businesses would last on that basis of operation.

It was just a cheap one.
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freediver wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 10:03pm:
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Not according to the QLD government consumer people I spoke to. They said, repair, replacement or refund by by 'mutual agreement'.


Well they are FOS - maybe under Qld law, but under Federal law, you are entitled to a full refund. So bring your claim under Federal law if they wont ante up.
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Reply #10 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 5:34pm
 
I just spoke to the fair trading people again. They confirmed that it is by mutual agreement, which implies negotiation. However she considered that the three week waiting period and the hassle of driving around for such a cheap item made it pretty unreasoanble for the retailer to insist on a repair. Anyway, I have to wait 7 working days after sending the written request before lodging the complaint. Hoepfully he will just offer me the refund rather than getting involved.
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Reply #11 - Jan 9th, 2009 at 10:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 9th, 2009 at 5:34pm:
I just spoke to the fair trading people again. They confirmed that it is by mutual agreement, which implies negotiation.


And I am telling you they are FOS. Even if Queensland law says that , Federal law overrules it.

The Trade Practices Act says that you have a claim for any good not of merchantable quality:

TRADE PRACTICES ACT 1974 - SECT 74D

Actions in respect of goods of unmerchantable quality
            (1)  Where:

                    (a)  a corporation, in trade or commerce, supplies goods manufactured by the corporation to another person who acquires the goods for re‑supply;

                    (b)  a person (whether or not the person who acquired the goods from the corporation) supplies the goods (otherwise than by way of sale by auction) to a consumer;

                    (c)  the goods are not of merchantable quality; and

                    (d)  the consumer or a person who acquires the goods from, or derives title to the goods through or under, the consumer suffers loss or damage by reason that the goods are not of merchantable quality;

the corporation is liable to compensate the consumer or that other person for the loss or damage and the consumer or that other person may recover the amount of the compensation by action against the corporation in a court of competent jurisdiction.

            (2)  Subsection (1) does not apply:

                    (a)  if the goods are not of merchantable quality by reason of:

                             (i)  an act or default of any person (not being the corporation or a servant or agent of the corporation); or

                            (ii)  a cause independent of human control;

                           occurring after the goods have left the control of the corporation;

                    (b)  as regards defects specifically drawn to the consumer's attention before the making of the contract for the supply of the goods to the consumer; or

                    (c)  if the consumer examines the goods before that contract is made, as regards defects that the examination ought to reveal.

            (3)  Goods of any kind are of merchantable quality within the meaning of this section if they are as fit for the purpose or purposes for which goods of that kind are commonly bought as it is reasonable to expect having regard to:

                    (a)  any description applied to the goods by the corporation;

                    (b)  the price received by the corporation for the goods (if relevant); and

                    (c)  all the other relevant circumstances.
What are my obligations?
When you sell goods you must make certain that they fulfil certain conditions and warranties that are implied under the TPA.


http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/8818

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You must be sure that goods:


are of merchantable quality—that is, goods need to reach a basic level of quality given the price of the goods and any description that is provided with the goods
are fit for the purpose or job that the consumer described to you or that are self-evident
match any description or sample given to the consumer whether in promotional material, over the phone, in person, on a website or on labelling or packaging
are free from defects and faults.

You must also be sure that any goods you sell have no debt or financing owed on them so the consumer can have free title to the goods.

If the goods you have sold do not fulfil any of these conditions then the consumer may be entitled to a refund from you on return of the goods. If the goods have been partially consumed the consumer may be entitled to a refund depending on the circumstances and the extent to which the goods have been consumed.

Consumers can choose an alternative remedy to a refund. In these circumstances you may want to offer an exchange, a credit note or to repair the goods.

If the goods being returned have had a fair amount of use then you may be entitled to provide a partial refund only or to repair the product instead. This will depend on the circumstances of the sale and return and if the use of the goods has affected the fault.

You have the right to ask for proof of purchase from the consumer, for example, a receipt or credit record.

You are not obliged to provide a refund, credit or exchange if a consumer has:

changed their mind, decided they no longer want the goods or just don’t like them, or found that goods are the wrong size or colour
found they can buy the same or similar goods elsewhere for a cheaper price
examined goods before buying them and should have seen any fault at that time
had a defect drawn to their attention before they purchased goods, for example, when goods are clearly labelled as seconds or faulty.


That's Federal law and it overrules Queensland law, whatever Queensland fair trading thinks. Ask them at Fair Trading why they think that State law overrules s 74D of the Trade Practices Act next time you speak to them.

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Reply #12 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 8:32am
 
Can you quote me the bit that says I can demand a refund?

I tried a new spark plug. It didn't work. However the new spark plug did not have the 12kOhm resistance across the centre pin, so I don't know what is going on there.
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Reply #13 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 8:44am
 
FD - you're going to have to make a pest of yourself with this one.  Go back - demand a refund in a loud forceful voice so others can hear you and say that you will immediately lodge an official complaint with Fair Trading if they don't give it to you.  If that doesn't work - contact the State Ombudsman and lodge a complaint over the phone.  Someone will eventually listen to you - but try and sound as though you really mean it.

Calanen is quite right.  You can't take no for an answer.  They are either ignorant or calling your bluff.  

Just say there is state legislation that states that a consumer has the right to a refund for a faulty product.
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Reply #14 - Jan 10th, 2009 at 8:50am
 
I am going through the motions of making a complaint. It all has to be in writing.
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