Anyone see the enemy within gathered together for a rally today.  Wonder if abu and gaybriel were there?

We should deport the lot of them, ignorant morons.

Why don't you write about it and post it here Grendel?

No I was talking about Sydney... 
Funnily most of the Muslims from the Lakemba Mosque rolled up.
As did Hilali, Trad and various other radicals.

oooo...  are you libelling me Abu.

Just how can you justify such crap...  oh right...  your a Muslim victim and can say anything you like.

Now I heard the crap trad and hilali spouted the other day and a more inaccurate biased rant I have never heard.

Well except for most of your stuff that is.

oh and yes, I have to agree the same sort of sick deluded people inhabit both those sites.  I gather you inhabit MV.

sprint...

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I'm guessing you didn't hear about the rally in Yemen (a muslim country no??) against Egypt (another muslim country no??) in fact they actually stormed the embassy and destroyed it...

But of course these things are only possible in the free and democratic west, right?

You should broaden your news sources, the regular US/Israeli stuff that's spoonfed to most of the populace really isn't the full picture.

cut out the personal attacks please

grendel- what is the point of this thread if not to indirectly try to attack abu and myself?

if there is another point please bring it to my attention. otherwise this will be closed.

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You don't think Gaybriel is an 'enemy within'? After all she's an Aussie who supports those big bad mean nasty Muslims. Wouldn't that make her an enemy to all the sane and civil fully human Australians? I'm pretty sure Grendel would consider her as such, she's a traitor to the white race after all.

More threats of deletions.

You really are too sensitive, the initial post was slightly ambiguous, as to who the descriptive was referring, but on the face of it, it seemed directed at the anti-Israeli mob.

Abu is not backwards in coming forwards with personal insults either Gaybriel, so ease up on the whole threats business, it is getting beyond a joke.

Now back to the issue.

These people have every right to protest, they have every right to be angry about what they perceive as wrongdoings, and I for one would not wish to see that democratic right removed.

Sprint alluded to that issue with his query about if such freedoms would be extended citizens in muslim countries, to which Abu responded how a yemeni mob "DESTROYED" the egyptian embassy, in Yemen.

That says it all really.

Yes Grendel, that is how I interpreted your post, as being directed against the pro-Hamas people.

It would be nice to see some muslims criticising the terrorist acts of groups like Hamas, but we never do.

What we do see, is aussie muslims, demonstrating their support for this terrorist organisation, and that is most definitely not the same thing, as supporting innocent Palestinians.

There is no racial monopoly on stupidity and ignorance mantra.

Are you comfortable seeing 1000s of ignorant radicals in your neighbourhood...  good for you...  hell you'd probably join them based on some of the stuff you apparently believe

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What does condemning a barbaric invasion of a land 1000's of km away have to do with 'radicals in your neighbourhood'? Was that the best you could come up with? really, pretty pathetic.

Better be careful not to condemn the crises in Darfur as well Mantra, or you might have Sudanese taking over your town 

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There is no need for people to be radical in my neighbourhood Grendel.  The majority appear to embrace newcomers.  

Just another idiotic deflection...  like being used do you mantra?

How about you address the real issue of ignorant masses in our midst of Islamic origin who belief the rubbish espoused by radicals like Hilali.

Oh no it's ok for a thousand idiot muslims to protest, just as long as they dont take it any further eh.  Well we already know there are terrorists amongst them and if they believe this crap in the numbers that obviously do and Abu is a prime example what real security do we have?  Allowing them to live amongst us.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 12:53am:


it's a way of keeping things on track instead of letting them devolve into slinging matches or thinly veiled personal attacks

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and he has been modded whenever that has occurred

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From what I've heard in the last couple of years - Hilali is not well respected among the general Muslim population.

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I'm sick to death of Judaism and Islamism, but I don't believe there is a terrorist threat amongst the Australian Muslims - most of them appear to want to live in peace the way we do.  Have you heard about the new Jewish eruv (or whatever it's called) in St. Ives.  There's one in Bondi/Waverly as well.  What would you say if the Muslims built one for themselves?  At least most Muslims are integrating with the general population.

The situation in Gaza is a humanitarian one Grendel.  A group of people living in poverty stricken ghettos entirely at the mercy of one greedy state who has the support of the big guns are being told to give up their souls and everything else they possess or else they will be blasted to bits.  

In fact it is more than a humanitarian crisis - Israel is committing a crime against humanity.

I don't understand what you mean by being used Grendel - perhaps I'm being more honest and not as PC as usual.

Hilali has many Muslim followers/supporters...  why do you think he was asked to speak  etc, etc, etc....

wake up mantra...  throw away the blinkers and address reality.

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Maybe most of them do. But it took only 19 hijackers to kill 3000 people in 9/11.

There has never been a muslim I've heard that has disclaimed the need to overthrow infidel government and install sharia in infidel lands.  But where Muslims disagree is how to do it. Whether to go in hard with terror now, or patiently wait it out and let demographics do the work. Some see terror as counter-productive because its too early and tips their hand.

The doctrine of Islam agrees that Western society should be replaced with Islamic law, with Islamic rulers and sharia. Its only the means to get there that there is any debate about.

I dont want to live under religious apartheid with Islamic overlords. I dont want a crappy standard of living in a fascist dictatorship while clerics live the high life with the country's resources. I dont want women to be forced to wear burquas, or honor killings, or genital mutilation, or rapes, or people having their hands cut off for theft.

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I thought he fell out of favour a couple of years ago with those non PC comments he made - he certainly doesn't get much attention these days.  Wasn't someone else appointed in his place?

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Wrong Grendel.  Maybe we only hear about the adults who aren't integrating - but the children certainly are.  Many Muslim children integrate comfortably into mainstream public schools and Catholic schools are happy to enrol them also and have only positive comments to make in their regard.  I understand that Muslim schools will also take non-Muslim children as well.

Does it matter what the "stuck in the mud" parents of any religion feel about each other - the important thing is that our children will all grow up together accepting each other - hopefully.

Grendel wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 7:04pm:


So you know how they'll grow, and who'll they marry hey. Care to share with us next weeks tatslotto numbers as well. After all...seems that you believe that you have the ability to see into the future.

lol..yeah you know them.you know them all..

You calling others ignorant is ABSOLUTELY HILLARIOUS.

Keep the comedy act coming....

Grendel wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 2:54pm:


Don't Force Us Into Ghettoes

Jonathan Dart
December 27, 2008
Keysar Trad speaks at the opening of the St Marys Islamic Centre.

http://www.smh.com.au/

LOCAL councils around Australia have been warned they risk imposing a "ghetto mentality" on the Islamic community if they continue to oppose religious projects such as the controversial proposals to build Islamic schools at Camden and Bass Hill.

The warning was issued yesterday by the founder of the Islamic Friendship Society, Keysar Trad, as he opened a prayer centre at St Marys.

Mr Trad said the centre, which took 3½ years to be approved by Penrith City Council, will participate in a number of multi-faith and community events, such as Clean Up Australia Day.

Asked about recent controversies surrounding other developments - such as a proposal for a Muslim school at Camden and a stalled project by sportsmen Anthony Mundine and Hazem El Masri to convert a church into a mosque in Canterbury - he said their rejection would hurt his community.

"As long as we're able to establish centres like this one [in St Marys], then we're able to keep safe from the ghetto mentality," he said. "Islam is not about ghettoes, Islam is about being part of society and contributing to every aspect of society. As long as we're able to do that, it's great. When we're not able to do that in some places, where the approach is unfairly delayed and unreasonably delayed, then it's forcing people to go to one particular area, even though they don't live in that particular area.

"Historically, we have been very resistant to ghettoisation. We have always been a part of our wider communities and we want to always contribute."

Mr Trad said that wrangling with local councils has meant that Muslim residents in remote parts of Sydney face barriers to settling into their communities, and other challenges such as an increased travel burden.

He also said there was a wider psychological impact of being rejected. Using the example of an attempt by Mr El Masri, a prominent Canterbury Bulldogs footballer, to convert a church in Ludgate Street, Roselands, he said some councils and residents were focusing on trivial planning issues to sink projects that would have an otherwise broad appeal.

"Generally, when you think of Hazem El Masri, if he was establishing a youth centre, most people would want to send their kids there regardless of their religion because he's a sporting hero who could teach their children discipline and help them have sporting success," Mr Trad said.

"But it seems in that area, the conjunction of his name with the word Muslim has created a situation where council took objection to something that relates to that centre. We don't do those things to our sporting heroes in Australia; in Australia our sporting heroes are good role models, they deserve to continue to have our respect."

The Mayor of Penrith, Jim Aitken, said there was no community objection to the new prayer centre at St Marys but said planning regulations are not the only reason some developments are delayed.

"The issues are the same in any area. Some people will be against other religions coming into our society, and other people just don't care," he said. "You just have to keep explaining to everyone what's going so they understand."

The vice-president of the new prayer centre, Mohammad Ruhulamin, said there would be an emphasis on hosting events that involved people outside the Muslim faith.

"If our people want to be part of the community, the community must be accessible to us," he said. "It will take some time to build relationships with people. It will not be easy."

Well lets see Abu...  an Australian way of life is NOT a ME way of life.

Oh and no one forces them into ghettos...  they create their own.
Under Multiculti there is no requirement for assimilation or even integration.  
No requirement to speak English or adopt the Australian dominant culture which is a WESTERN one.

Please dont quote that disingenuous prick Trad as if he's some honest broker.  He described Australians as sewage in comparison to the pure spring water that is Islam.

I'm probably on the wrong thread, but just a point about Hamas using the people as human shields - everyone is a human shield in Palestine - they have nowhere to hide.  They are all exposed on their little strip of land, and Israel while it has the chance before Bush goes - plans to go in for extra heavy bombardment in the next few days.

In regard to this rocket launch from the UN school the day before yesterday - the top UN official for the Palestinian refugees claims that there was no rocket fired from the school and is demanding that Israel show proof of the shells.

He said all refugees were checked for weapons before entering the school.

This just gets worse and worse and the words of condemnation from people of influence are pathetic.  

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24886577-5018557,00.html

Abu...  I don't believe they should be allowed to create an enclave anywhere

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That's a good point Mantra. Perhaps they suspect that Obama won't be as supportive of their 'operations' as Bush was, so they wanna get a few good punches in before the changing of the guard... Food for thought.

Well, according to your view of the world, minorities like us should have every right to overrun the country and turn it into our own exclusionist state. So I think I'm going to adopt your principles, which state that we'd be quite justified in not integrating, but instead facilitating massive illegal immigration of our fellow Muslims, so we can make Australia an Islamic state, demolish your homes with bulldozers and build our own Muslim-only settlements on top of them.

Grendel wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:39am:


actually it's not really a conspiracy- it would just be logical thinking by Israel.

if they know that the US, their biggest ally, is changing hands to someone who won't support them- then they may as well try and fulfill as much of their agenda as possible before this happens

I'm not saying this is their thinking- but it's not a far out possibility

lol... I'm still waiting for an answer...  Oh and how about the other question about where the israeli Ministry was wrong too boys oh and Mozz's other question re memri etc, etc, etc...  so many questions so much crap and so few answers.

abu_rashid wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 10:08am:



Go ahead, see what happens.

All ummah fantasists live in a bubble, all critical thought shunned, all non-muslims dismissed as anti-muslim conspirators living only to not accept Islam.

If you really think that your scenario is in any way an approximation of how Israel came into being and therefore all you have to do is repeat your version of what happen - go right ahead, pal.  This sort of crazy-brave nonsense has kept Mohammedans in their mind-forged shackles for centuries.