Hilali has many Muslim followers/supporters...  why do you think he was asked to speak  etc, etc, etc....

wake up mantra...  throw away the blinkers and address reality.

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Maybe most of them do. But it took only 19 hijackers to kill 3000 people in 9/11.

There has never been a muslim I've heard that has disclaimed the need to overthrow infidel government and install sharia in infidel lands.  But where Muslims disagree is how to do it. Whether to go in hard with terror now, or patiently wait it out and let demographics do the work. Some see terror as counter-productive because its too early and tips their hand.

The doctrine of Islam agrees that Western society should be replaced with Islamic law, with Islamic rulers and sharia. Its only the means to get there that there is any debate about.

I dont want to live under religious apartheid with Islamic overlords. I dont want a crappy standard of living in a fascist dictatorship while clerics live the high life with the country's resources. I dont want women to be forced to wear burquas, or honor killings, or genital mutilation, or rapes, or people having their hands cut off for theft.

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I thought he fell out of favour a couple of years ago with those non PC comments he made - he certainly doesn't get much attention these days.  Wasn't someone else appointed in his place?

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Wrong Grendel.  Maybe we only hear about the adults who aren't integrating - but the children certainly are.  Many Muslim children integrate comfortably into mainstream public schools and Catholic schools are happy to enrol them also and have only positive comments to make in their regard.  I understand that Muslim schools will also take non-Muslim children as well.

Does it matter what the "stuck in the mud" parents of any religion feel about each other - the important thing is that our children will all grow up together accepting each other - hopefully.

Grendel wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 7:04pm:


So you know how they'll grow, and who'll they marry hey. Care to share with us next weeks tatslotto numbers as well. After all...seems that you believe that you have the ability to see into the future.

lol..yeah you know them.you know them all..

You calling others ignorant is ABSOLUTELY HILLARIOUS.

Keep the comedy act coming....

Grendel wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 2:54pm:


Don't Force Us Into Ghettoes

Jonathan Dart
December 27, 2008
Keysar Trad speaks at the opening of the St Marys Islamic Centre.

http://www.smh.com.au/

LOCAL councils around Australia have been warned they risk imposing a "ghetto mentality" on the Islamic community if they continue to oppose religious projects such as the controversial proposals to build Islamic schools at Camden and Bass Hill.

The warning was issued yesterday by the founder of the Islamic Friendship Society, Keysar Trad, as he opened a prayer centre at St Marys.

Mr Trad said the centre, which took 3½ years to be approved by Penrith City Council, will participate in a number of multi-faith and community events, such as Clean Up Australia Day.

Asked about recent controversies surrounding other developments - such as a proposal for a Muslim school at Camden and a stalled project by sportsmen Anthony Mundine and Hazem El Masri to convert a church into a mosque in Canterbury - he said their rejection would hurt his community.

"As long as we're able to establish centres like this one [in St Marys], then we're able to keep safe from the ghetto mentality," he said. "Islam is not about ghettoes, Islam is about being part of society and contributing to every aspect of society. As long as we're able to do that, it's great. When we're not able to do that in some places, where the approach is unfairly delayed and unreasonably delayed, then it's forcing people to go to one particular area, even though they don't live in that particular area.

"Historically, we have been very resistant to ghettoisation. We have always been a part of our wider communities and we want to always contribute."

Mr Trad said that wrangling with local councils has meant that Muslim residents in remote parts of Sydney face barriers to settling into their communities, and other challenges such as an increased travel burden.

He also said there was a wider psychological impact of being rejected. Using the example of an attempt by Mr El Masri, a prominent Canterbury Bulldogs footballer, to convert a church in Ludgate Street, Roselands, he said some councils and residents were focusing on trivial planning issues to sink projects that would have an otherwise broad appeal.

"Generally, when you think of Hazem El Masri, if he was establishing a youth centre, most people would want to send their kids there regardless of their religion because he's a sporting hero who could teach their children discipline and help them have sporting success," Mr Trad said.

"But it seems in that area, the conjunction of his name with the word Muslim has created a situation where council took objection to something that relates to that centre. We don't do those things to our sporting heroes in Australia; in Australia our sporting heroes are good role models, they deserve to continue to have our respect."

The Mayor of Penrith, Jim Aitken, said there was no community objection to the new prayer centre at St Marys but said planning regulations are not the only reason some developments are delayed.

"The issues are the same in any area. Some people will be against other religions coming into our society, and other people just don't care," he said. "You just have to keep explaining to everyone what's going so they understand."

The vice-president of the new prayer centre, Mohammad Ruhulamin, said there would be an emphasis on hosting events that involved people outside the Muslim faith.

"If our people want to be part of the community, the community must be accessible to us," he said. "It will take some time to build relationships with people. It will not be easy."

Well lets see Abu...  an Australian way of life is NOT a ME way of life.

Oh and no one forces them into ghettos...  they create their own.
Under Multiculti there is no requirement for assimilation or even integration.  
No requirement to speak English or adopt the Australian dominant culture which is a WESTERN one.

Please dont quote that disingenuous prick Trad as if he's some honest broker.  He described Australians as sewage in comparison to the pure spring water that is Islam.

I'm probably on the wrong thread, but just a point about Hamas using the people as human shields - everyone is a human shield in Palestine - they have nowhere to hide.  They are all exposed on their little strip of land, and Israel while it has the chance before Bush goes - plans to go in for extra heavy bombardment in the next few days.

In regard to this rocket launch from the UN school the day before yesterday - the top UN official for the Palestinian refugees claims that there was no rocket fired from the school and is demanding that Israel show proof of the shells.

He said all refugees were checked for weapons before entering the school.

This just gets worse and worse and the words of condemnation from people of influence are pathetic.  

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24886577-5018557,00.html