Calanen wrote on Jan 5^th, 2009 at 9:03pm:



An unfortunately accurate precis of the recent events in the area by Calanen, highlights the ultimate, sad, truth, the Palestinians are just sore losers.

They lose every time, and will continue to lose, and their people will continue to suffer and die because they just refuse to admit that they are beaten.

When has there ever been a war where one side can keep refusing to accept the result, because they think it wasn't fair?

I don't think wars a re played that way.

So they have a choice, keep fighting, and keep losing, or stop fighting, and let Israel prosper, in peace, and reap the rewards of having a peaceful existence, for their children.

Is anyone so blinkered as to expect Palestine to ever drive the Israelis from the middle east?

I think only the totally insane Islamist extremists, who think Allah will help them win their holy jihad, would fall into that category.

That is why they are 'the' enemy which must be beaten, as they are the greatest obstacle to Palestinians facing up to the reality which must be accepted, before peace can be hoped for.

Hamas, Hizbullah must be destroyed  - by Arabs



Many ask why fellow Arabs would support the destruction of Hamas and Hizbullah. The answer is simple. Both organizations, in addition to the rule in Damascus and Iran, represent everything that is wrong in the Middle East today: Morally weak organizations or states seeking revenge, extolling resistance, and abetting violence against those who have surpassed us in knowledge and technology.
Hamas, Hizbullah must be destroyed

Our only chance, as a civilization that invented Algebra and helped usher advances in medicine, astronomy, and literature during an era of co-existence with the west, is to re-create that co-existence. How could we do that if ignorance is our guide and violent men are our leaders? Witness co-existence by the fact that Algebra was invented by al-Jabr just about the same time the Jewish King Omri founded Samaria.

How could Arabs and Muslims help their societies if their program for progress is built upon violence? When was the last time Hamas or Hizbullah issued their 5-year plan to improve the lives of their followers? It will never happen because the failed leadership of both organizations seeks power instead of duty, money instead of benevolence, and longevity in both instead of renewal for the good of their people.

Hizbullah and Hamas must be destroyed and the regimes in Damascus and Tehran must be changed for all Arabs and Farsi people to survive and prosper in an ever evolving world timed in nanoseconds and propagating through quantum physics. Their poisonous rhetoric of violence feeding a frenzied mass of ignorant Arabs leaning on their extreme religion to honor their incapacity to compete with the West is destroying future generations of hopeful saviors of our culture and traditions. We Arabs must be the ones to stop Hamas and Hizbullah, rather than support their demonic and twisted logic of resisting development, enlightenment, and progress of the region. Even when development and enlightenment stare them in the face, their instinct is to destroy them pretending to safeguard their honor, the mechanics of which supersede all else including a happy life of fulfillment and accomplishments.

So while we abhor violence of all kind, Israel's campaign against Hamas must continue to the bitter end not only for the sake of peace but also to help Arabs realize they have a choice: Destroy like Gaza or develop like Dubai. Will this happen soon? Maybe not, but if a wake-up call and a nudge, once in a while, to pierce through the fog of deceit perpetrated by Syria and Iran is what it takes to see the light, then we stand by the West and Israel in the only hope that an Arab Renaissance in the Levant may actually have a chance of resurrection.

Farid Ghadry is the President of the Reform Party of Syria, a leading US-based opposition group to the rule of Assad and “resistance” in the Levant

http://www.icjs-online.org/index.php?article=1730

ROTFLMAO...  

I'm sorry...  how come the PLO don't get a mention mantra?

mantra  you are clueless re history.

There were no such thing as Palestinians nor was there a country called Palestine until the mandate was created.  There were bunches of individual tribes spread all over the place.  75% of the mandate is now Jordan.  The newly formed group calling themselves palestinians tried to create their own country in Jordan and guess what...  their arab brothers put them down.  there were 100s of thousands in Kuwait till Hussein invaded and guess what...  many betrayed their Kuwaiti hosts and even fought for the Iraqis...  when Kuwait was reclaimed theye were persecuted with good reason and many forced to leave the country they betrayed.

That's a bit unfair on Mantra.
It's easy enough to skim over posts without getting their intended meaning. And nothing would surprise
as far as radical viewpoints go.
It's little wonder that wars are predominantly caused  by men.



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Yes I think they should accept that Israel has a right to exist and so should the rest of the Arab and muslim world.
The Jews have been around since the year dot, as have the Arabs.
Unfortunately it seems that accepting the Jews is like turning turning their back on their religion. The year dot for many of them seems to starts with their prophet.
The Islamic attitude seems to be, that if the Jews want to stay then they will only do so by living in fear.
When the Jews say enough is enough, they are painted to be the aggressors while the radicalist cowards fire rockets from behind prams.
Then when they get their butts kicked over and over in wars which they instigate, they whinge about losing the land of their battlefront.


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That's an attitude that I find a bit disturbing.
Does that mean that Indonesian land is the same as Palestinian land?
Do you consider an Australian Mosque to be separated from Australia?
Do you consider a muslim neighborhood to be an Islamic state?

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Hamas hit a kindergarten today.

Grad Rocket Strikes Ashdod Kindergarten Schoolyard

Tevet 9, 5769, 05 January 09 04:35by Hana Levi Julian(IsraelNN.com) A long-range Grad-type Katyusha rocket landed in the schoolyard of a kindergarten in a northern Ashdod neighborhood at approximately 3:20 Monday afternoon -- but miraculously, only two people were lightly wounded, one by flying shrapnel. Thirty children are normally in the classroom during the day, when the missile struck, but due to Home Front Command instructions, the building was empty at the time.

Magen David Adom medics who raced to the scene said they treated a number of people who suffered from severe emotional trauma. Eyewitnesses described the explosion as "unusually loud."

At about 3:00 p.m., a short-range Kassam rocket exploded in the Eshkol region as well. No one was injured and no damage was reported.

Hamas and allied terrorist attacked southern Israel with close to 30 rockets since 7:00 a.m. Monday, appearing to focus primarily on the coastal cities of Ashkelon and Ashdod.

At about 2:00 p.m., the Color Red incoming rocket alert siren wailed in Ashkelon, sending residents racing for shelters for what seemed to be the umpteenth time within a two-hour span. Officials said at least one long-range Grad-type Katyusha rocket was discovered a short time later, having landed in an open area. No injuries or damage was reported in that attack.

An earlier barrage was more dangerous, however. A Grad rocket slammed into an open area in Ashkelon at approximately 1:30 p.m. Monday and landed next to a single-family home. Initial reports by Magen David Adom medics racing to the scene said early reports indicated that at least two people were lightly injured by shrapnel and a number of people suffered severe emotional trauma. 

A second Grad rocket exploded elsewhere in the city at about the same time as well, but there were no reports of injuries or damage in that attack. Within 15 minutes, another barrage struck Ashkelon; at least one Grad rocket landed in an open area in the city, according to city officials, but caused no injuries or damage.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/SendMail.aspx?print=print&type=0&item=129225

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHhXINu6mCc&feature=related

A good short film about the impact of a Kassam strike on a family in Sderot.

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Which ones?

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Israel just demolished a UN run school, killing 40 in Gaza, and I have absolutely no doubt in my mind you have a very good answer for why, and why it's justified, and why it was not only deserved, but was absolutely necessary. Gonna be kind of hard for them to explain why they hit a UN run school, however I'm 100% sure that whatever whimsical tale their PR firms are busy spinning together now, you're  going to swallow it hook, line and sinker and then propagate it here as if it's gospel truth.

Hamas have virtually no targetting systems, they don't aim for kindergartens, IDF have the most sophisticated targetting systems in the world, they knew where those missiles were going within a few centimetres....

40 people dead (most likely many of them children) in a school that's being used.... 2 people suffered minor shrapnel wounds in a disused kindergarten... Again, I am 100% sure you'll still consider one completely justified and the other a despicable terrorist attack... and it ain't hard to guess which is which.