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Reply #75 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 12:24pm
 
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What we have with Gaza and Hamas is the situation where you bring up children in hatred and ignorance and then allow them to take control.


How narrow is your thinking at times Grendel.  Do you really expect the children living in the ghettos of Palestine could possibly grow up with love for their neighbours while they watch their families blown to bits?  They're hungry, uneducated now and have only ever lived with violence.

War can drag people down to inhuman levels and if these children are full of hate - who shall we hold responsible?

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Reply #76 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:02pm
 
mantra - how about mohammad, or hamas as those responsible  ??
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Reply #77 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:10pm
 
mantra wrote on Jan 5th, 2009 at 12:24pm:
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What we have with Gaza and Hamas is the situation where you bring up children in hatred and ignorance and then allow them to take control.


War can drag people down to inhuman levels and if these children are full of hate - who shall we hold responsible?



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ISLAM is a vicious [un-reformable] political tyranny, which has always murdered its critics, and it continues that practice even today.
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Reply #79 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:21pm
 
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how about mohammad, or hamas as those responsible  ??


Sprintcyclist - the Palestinians needed strong leadership who could give them some hope.  They had none.  There are things about Islam I detest, the same goes for Christianity and Judaism.

Perhaps we should be grateful that all the Islamic states and countries don't join forces and destroy Israel.  

This is an extract from a response by Antony Loewenstein - a jew who the zionists shun and detest, but gives his view of the cruelty inflicted on the Palestinians.  Until the thuggery of Israel stops - Hamas & Hezbollah will have plenty of fodder for future warfare.


You write that Israel would love to reduce its ties to the US, but is unable to do so. Well, then Israel cannot honestly call itself an independent nation. It is a client state, like many other similiar countries around the world.

Washington has convinced Israel that it can act however it wishes towards the Palestinians and suffer no punishment as a result, such as reduced aid etc. Of course, the US is happy for Israel to behave brutally towards the Palestinians, because it has little time for their claims, wishes or rights. But as the US becomes less important in the Middle East - as the Iraq war has thankfully brought - Israel will have to make a decision. Stay wedded to Washington, or find its own path. The initial signs are not too positive.

You rightly state that a state's first obligations are to its citizens, but Israel's behaviour is in fact endangering these very people. Maintaining and expanding the occupation, launching disastrous wars into Lebanon, encouraging war against Iran and still praising the "stability" of the Iraq war are all contributing to a decrease in safety for Israelis.

How does the Zionist lobby in all honesty truly believe that a military strike against Iran will improve Israel's position in the Middle East? Virtually every Middle East expert - not working for the American Enterprise Institute or the Weekly Standard, of course - will tell you that, and yet the mainstream Jewish position on the Iranian "threat" is to attack first, ask questions later. Such reckless behavior almost proves the adage that Israel is a democracy for Jews where the military actually makes the major decisions


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerGuest.jhtml?itemNo=848637
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Reply #80 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 1:32pm
 
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Horrific video of a child sending her suicide bomber mother to her death

By MATTHEW KALMAN

Last updated at 12:50 23 March 2007

Palestinian TV is showing a music video in which a four-year-old girl sings the praises of her suicide bomber mother and vows to follow in her footsteps.
The little girl grasps a stick of dynamite from a drawer in her mother's dressing-table and says: "I will follow Mummy".

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Reem Riyashi with her young daughter Duha

The shocking footage is being aired repeatedly on Al-Aqsa TV, the official station of the new Palestinian unity government headed by prime minister Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas, which seeks the destruction of Israel.

The video is shown between programmes without any accompanying commentary.

It shows a child actress playing four-year-old Duha Riyashi singing to her mother, Reem, as she prepares for a suicide bombing.
Reem Riyashi, a 22-year-old mother of two from Gaza, blew herself up at the entrance to a joint Israeli-Palestinian industrial zone in January 2004, killing four Israelis.

She was the first mother to join the grim death-roll of suicide bombers and the first woman despatched on such a mission by Hamas.

In the two minute video the young child sings as her mother prepares the bomb next to her dressing-table in the bedroom.
She sings: "Mommy, what are you carrying in your arms instead of me? A toy or a present for me?"

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Later, she sees the news of her mother's suicide on television and realizes her mother was carrying a bomb.

At first, the child cries for her mummy, begging her to come and put her and her brother to bed.

But then she sings: "Instead of me you carried a bomb in your hands / Only now, I know what was more precious than us / May your steps be blessed".

At the end of the video, Duha opens the dressing-table drawer to find a stick of explosives like the ones used in suicide bomb belts.
Grasping the deadly material, she vows to copy her mother:

"My love will not be words / I will follow Mummy in her steps," she sings.

Days before her death, Riyashi posed for the camera holding an AK-47 assault rifle in one arm and in the other her year-old son whose tiny fingers are grasping a bomb.

Her two young children were interviewed on Al-Aqsa TV earlier this month Duha was encouraged to recite a poem called "Mama Reem". "Reem, you are a fire bomb, Your children and submachine gun are your motto," chanted the little girl.
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• Most Israelis say their government should have "day-to-day" contacts with the Palestinian government, even if Hamas is in charge.
52 per cent of Israelis polled for an Israel Radio survey said Israel should work with the Palestinian unity government formed last weekend, with 36 per cent against and 12 per cent undecided.

The Israeli government said it would talk only to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and not have any contact with government ministers in the new coalition which is dominated by Hamas.

Israel has called on the international community to keep up its embargo on the Palestinian government as long as Hamas is in charge.
For their part, 68 per cent of Palestinians told Near East Consulting they supported peace with Israel and 69 per cent said the new Hamas-Fatah coalition would succeed in lifting international sanctions.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-444058/Horrific-video-child-sending-suicide-bomber-mother-death.html
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Reply #81 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 7:38pm
 

This whole topic is depressing.  Why should children have to live like this?  Do you really believe shaking hands with Israel will solve all their problems?



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Reply #82 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 8:25pm
 
You have no grasp of history or reality mantra...  what happened to the palestinians in Kuwait?  What happened when they were in Jordan?  maybe just maybe they are their own worst enemies and maybe I was right.
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Reply #83 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 8:33pm
 
mantra wrote on Jan 5th, 2009 at 7:38pm:
This whole topic is depressing.  Why should children have to live like this?  Do you really believe shaking hands with Israel will solve all their problems?


Until Hamas and anyone else that follows them puts aside their genocidal hatred of all jews, there is no resolution. They still think that they can win with the notion of extermination as the solution to the problem, and a lot of dhimmis in the west embolden them in this belief.

They need to accept the right of Israel to exist, renounce all terror, forever and ever...otherwise there will never be peace.
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Reply #84 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 8:53pm
 
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You have no grasp of history or reality mantra...  what happened to the palestinians in Kuwait?  What happened when they were in Jordan?  maybe just maybe they are their own worst enemies and maybe I was right.


I don't know Grendel - what happened to them in Jordan & Kuwait?  

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They need to accept the right of Israel to exist, renounce all terror, forever and ever...otherwise there will never be peace.


Obviously they aren't going to give in to Israel - it's gone too far now and they are obsessed with getting their "homeland" back.  Do you think that Washington can continue to arm & support Israel to the extent that they have over the years?  Perhaps Obama has different ideas and the zionist clan who want a pseudo homeland for the Jews are getting on in years and support is waning for Israel.

Sorry - but the zionists are bullies and have created this horror in Palestine.  I say zionists because they have a different mindset to the average jew.  The zionists are as much terrorists as the extremist Muslim groups, they are just smarter and more sophisticated and can spin a better yarn.








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Reply #85 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 8:57pm
 
mantra - the hmas have had as strong a leader as could be imagined.

many of the murderous islamic nutters
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Reply #86 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 9:03pm
 
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Obviously they aren't going to give in to Israel - it's gone too far now and they are obsessed with getting their "homeland" back.


But that's the idiocy of it all. It was never their homeland. Never. The whole area was owned by the Turks for 400 years. Then when the Turks lost WW1, the Brits got it.

The British carved up 80% of the BMP into Jordan. The remainder was split into the Arab state, and the Jewish state. So the 'Palestinians' were given their state in 1948 and could stay either in Palestine or go to the much bigger Jordan. But no, the Jews having 10% of the BMP was just unacceptable so we need to murder them all - oh the jews beat us. Well that just isnt fair, let's have terrorism for the next 60 years.

They need to get over it, put their arms down, take Gaza, the West Bank, and move on.
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Reply #87 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 9:07pm
 
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Do you think that Washington can continue to arm & support Israel to the extent that they have over the years


Maybe, maybe not. But the US didnt arm or support Israel in 1948, and it still won against 10 Arab countries that invaded with professional armies. A group of civilian immigrants who moved from Europe to Israel defeated the combined professional armed forces of a host of Arab nations.

So whether the US supports Israel or not, Israel isnt moving. Not unless someone gets the bomb and nukes them. And even if they do that, they better hope they get them all - because if not, Israel will come back and nuke them.
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Reply #88 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 9:19pm
 
Historians: Warsaw Ghetto Uprising Was Overreaction

Europe 's view of the present Israeli offensive against Hamas as an "overreaction" and "disproportionate use of force" is rooted in relatively recent history, say progressive researchers. In 1943, Europe itself suffered from a similar Jewish overreaction to some controversial German policies, in an event known as the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, when Zionist radicals attacked the National Socialist German Workers Party that was loved by the German people for its far-reaching educational and social welfare services. In fact, many academics who teach Peace Studies at prestigious universities believe that it was the Zionists' "disproportionate use of force" that had ruined hopes for peace in Europe and caused a humanitarian crisis that could have easily be avoided if only Jews had shown restraint and tolerance towards the democratically elected German government.


European politicians avoid apportioning blame
BRUSSELS, April 30, 1943 -- European leaders today expressed their "acute concern" over the intensifying conflict between Jews and the Gestapo in Warsaw, which they fear may further deteriorate fragile peace in Europe. Foreign ministers of the few remaining independent European powers adopted a declaration calling for an immediate end to the hostilities. Reflecting differing views among European nations, the document appears worded to avoid apportioning blame. It notes the Nazi Resistance must immediately make the operation of their gas chambers more transparent, while adding that Jews must show "utmost restraint" and not resort to "disproportionate action."

League of Nations anti-bias panel accuse Jews of racism
Members of a League of Nations anti-bias panel criticized Warsaw Jews on Thursday for violating humanitarian law and racially targeting the Nazis.

Jewish Uprising Triggers Humanitarian Crisis
16 Germans dead and 85 wounded In Warsaw Slaughter

Europe's call for an end to hostilities in the Warsaw Ghetto raises questions over how long Jews can stave off international pressure to end their three-week offensive in Warsaw, which has claimed hundreds of lives and created a refugee crisis. While moderate politicians are urging Jews to exercise "restraint" in their retaliation against the Nazis, most European leaders are denouncing Jewish retaliation as "disproportionate."

Goebbels: Jews must be held accountable for war crimes

Joseph Goebbels, a charismatic spokesman for the popular National Socialist German Workers Party, described the aftermath of Jewish strikes as "dramatic" and said Jewish forces had struck "very important elements of infrastructure," demanding that perpetrators be brought to justice at a press-conference in Berlin on Wednesday. "Jews must be held accountable for their war crimes, terrorism, and systematic human rights violations committed against the Aryan people," Mr. Goebbels said.

How could both sides have blundered so badly?

Miscalculations by Jews and Nazis have weakened Europe's fragile unity. A ceasefire is needed immediately. Where is Zionist exit strategy? Jewish hawks have started a war without any plausible objectives, any viable plan for disengagement, or any rational assessment of costs and benefits. Are they ready to absorb damage on the home front?

Poll: The tide of public opinion has shifted in the direction of Gestapo

The Jews' bloody response to concentration camps has united their enemies and divided their friends, the results of a current poll show. Atrocities committed by the Zionist militants in Warsaw and elsewhere have appalled Western opinion. The stature of the Gestapo grows, and the uprising has succeeded in discrediting moderate Germans and silencing the Nazi leaders in Berlin who were ready to start talking instead of killing.

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Reply #89 - Jan 5th, 2009 at 9:54pm
 
That's very interesting Soren - it almost makes Hitler look like a freedom fighter who ends up becoming a terrorist.  It infers the Jews are the aggressors.

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So whether the US supports Israel or not, Israel isnt moving. Not unless someone gets the bomb and nukes them. And even if they do that, they better hope they get them all - because if not, Israel will come back and nuke them.


Only Israel has the nuclear weapons - perhaps that's why there are so many suicide bombers.   According to Wiki - the modern suicide bombing only began in the 80's.  Why is it always inferred suicide bombing is an intrinsic part of the Muslim culture - that's untrue.

Although use of suicide attacks has occurred throughout recent history — particularly with the Japanese kamikaze pilots of World War II — its main notoriety as a specific kind of attack began in the 1980s and involved explosives deliberately carried to the target either on the person or in a civilian vehicle and delivered by surprise. Following the success of a 1983 truck bombing of two barracks buildings in Beirut that killed 300 and helped drive American and French Multinational Force troops from Lebanon, the tactic spread to insurgent groups like the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka, and Islamist groups such as Hamas.
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