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Reply #210 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:09pm
 
It seems the Palestinian supporters do not like war, or the unfortunate consequences of war, like civilian casualties.

Their idea is they should be left in peace.

That way they can carru on sending suicide bombers, and mortars, and rockets, into Israel, without the unpleasant interruption of the Israelis trying to stop them.

The whole point of this thread was to highlight the fact, that electing Hamas, was a very poor choice for the Palestinians to make, and until they rid themselves of Islamic Jihad leaders, then they will continue to have violence as a part of their daily life.

All decent people abhor violence, and I am sure that many Israelis would like to see the fighting stop, apparently more than most Palestinians, who seem to have accepted Jihad as a normal part of their day to day existence.

If they acted peacefully, they would see the rest of the world helping and supporting them, but the probability of that happening is unimaginable, that is why Israel has seemingly acted now, to try and end this thing, once, and for all.
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Reply #211 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:20pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:09pm:
All decent people abhor violence, and I am sure that many Israelis would like to see the fighting stop, apparently more than most Palestinians, who seem to have accepted Jihad as a normal part of their day to day existence.


And their children's television apparently:

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Reply #212 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:23pm
 
wow...a couple of photo's with captions. Gee....I'm convinced.

Care to share with us the source of these pics Calanen...or are you afraid that the very little credibility you have remaining might evaporate when people see the kind of sites your source your information from.
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Reply #213 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:31pm
 
I was going to ask Calanen on an earlier thread where he accessed his photos then noticed the tiny print on the bottom of one - Calanen Enterprises Inc.

Very clever Calanen.  
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Reply #214 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:35pm
 


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......the Hamas is using the citizens of Gaza as a protective vest......”


So much for voting in terrorists.
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Reply #215 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:36pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:09pm:
It seems the Palestinian supporters do not like war, or the unfortunate consequences of war, like civilian casualties.


And it seems the Israeli supporters do like war, the killing of civilians, and will use every means possible to justify it.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:09pm:
Their idea is they should be left in peace.


wow...people wanting peace. How outrageous....

mozzaok wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:09pm:
That way they can carru on sending suicide bombers, and mortars, and rockets, into Israel, without the unpleasant interruption of the Israelis trying to stop them.


The first suicide bombing occurred in the 90's. Palestinians people have suffered from Israeli agression and tyranny for over 60 years now.

Why do you insist on ignoring the suffering of the Palestinians?

mozzaok wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:09pm:
The whole point of this thread was to highlight the fact, that electing Hamas, was a very poor choice for the Palestinians to make, and until they rid themselves of Islamic Jihad leaders, then they will continue to have violence as a part of their daily life.


So because you disagree with who they voted in democratic elections..therefore you support an blockade which just about starved the people, and now this bombing.

So you want the Palestinians to have democracy, but only if they choose who YOU believe is the best choice.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:09pm:
All decent people abhor violence, and I am sure that many Israelis would like to see the fighting stop, apparently more than most Palestinians, who seem to have accepted Jihad as a normal part of their day to day existence.


After 60 years of occupation...yes, you'd think that resistence would become a normal part of their existence.

But ofcourse, we both know that you don't believe that palestinians have the right to resist occupation, persecution, and oppression.

That is what this is about...you would like to see the Palestinians die in silence....how dare they fight back.

And yes, all decent people would strongly condemn an action where the 4th most powerful miliatry in the world bombs one of the most poorest people in the world, killing over 700 people, including approx. 200 children.

Then their are those who attempt to justify the killing...and blame the violence on the victims.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:09pm:
If they acted peacefully, they would see the rest of the world helping and supporting them, but the probability of that happening is unimaginable, that is why Israel has seemingly acted now, to try and end this thing, once, and for all.


Don't you mean die peacefully.

For much of the century the Palestinians have waited to see if the rest of the world would help and support them...and what did they get in return?

More killings, more persecution....more land stolen...more settlements, more farms destroyed...more lives destroyed.

The only time that the world pays attention is when Israelis are killed.

For 6 months Israel experienced a period of calm...in that time not one Israeli was killed by Hamas rockets or suicide bombings. The last suicide bombing in Israel occurred over 12 months ago.

Yet in that time Israel has continued with the economic blockade...starving the Palestinians...in addition to targetted killings and scores of bombings which have killed numerous civilians, in both the westbank and Gaza.

But of course...when a  Palestinians dies...you conciously turn off, and don't pay attention.

Why is that?
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Reply #216 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:42pm
 
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Care to share with us the source of these pics Calanen...or are you afraid that the very little credibility you have remaining might evaporate when people see the kind of sites your source your information from.


The third photo came from that well regared Neonazi site otherwise known as 'wikipedia'. The others were just from random google search on photos from the Pioneers of Tomorrow.

Not sure what your point is, are you saying that I've manufactured the captions? Surely you know of the famous Pioneers of Tomorrow on Hamas TV?

You can watch the whole clip, not just a freeze frame. Lots of gooduns to choose from:

http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1637.htm

Yotube seems not to be connecting at the moment, but when it comes back up I'll post a few. Perhaps I'll even be able to find the ones from which the caps came from.
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Reply #217 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:44pm
 
mantra wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:31pm:
I was going to ask Calanen on an earlier thread where he accessed his photos then noticed the tiny print on the bottom of one - Calanen Enterprises Inc.

Very clever Calanen.  


You are talking about the faux Magic Cards? Yes I claim them as my own. The photos in them are other people's of course however, but are not 'doctored', they are real photos.
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Reply #218 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:52pm
 
Calanen wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:42pm:
The third photo came from that well regared Neonazi site otherwise known as 'wikipedia'.


So why don't you provide a link?

Calanen wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:42pm:
The others were just from random google search on photos from the Pioneers of Tomorrow.


Once again...why aren't you providing the links. What are you hiding?

Calanen wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:42pm:
Not sure what your point is, are you saying that I've manufactured the captions? Surely you know of the famous Pioneers of Tomorrow on Hamas TV?


Well given that the shows on Hamas TV are arabic, for arabic audiences, their is no need for captions at all.

so yes...I suspect the captions have been manuafactured...if not by you, then by the biased propaganda site which you sourced the photo's from.

And you refusal to provide a link or source would indicate that my assumptions are correct.
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Reply #219 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:54pm
 
Calanen wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:44pm:
mantra wrote on Jan 8th, 2009 at 12:31pm:
I was going to ask Calanen on an earlier thread where he accessed his photos then noticed the tiny print on the bottom of one - Calanen Enterprises Inc.

Very clever Calanen.  


You are talking about the faux Magic Cards? Yes I claim them as my own. The photos in them are other people's of course however, but are not 'doctored', they are real photos.


Are the captions real as well...or are they your own little additions?

Are you employed by the IDF to spread their propaganda?
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Reply #220 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 1:18pm
 
You cannot seriously question the type of anti-jewish, racist, hate speech which Jihadists use, can you LeStat?

It is well documented, and well accepted by all, apart from Islamist sympathisers, it seems.

I posted an article about a year ago, about the mickey mouse character, targeting pre-schoolers, but here it is again, in case you missed it.

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"Sanabel, what do you want to do to help the Al-Aqsa Mosque?" Farfur asks on the children's program of Hamas's Al-Aqsa television station. "We want to fight." "And what else?" "Wipe out the Jews." Now Farfur, the cartoon character on Hamas's children's television program, is satisfied.  -------and then even more---------  
International protests forced Hamas to take its Disney clone out of circulation. Al-Aqsa complied, but promptly turned Farfur's departure into an anti-Semitic statement: Farfur was clubbed to death by an Israeli official. Then the girl hosting the program turned to the camera and said: "You've seen how the Jews killed Farfur as a martyr. What do you want to say to the Jews?" A three-year-old girl named Shaima called into the show to say: "We don't like Jews, because they are dogs! We will fight them!" "Oh, Shaima, you're right," the girl in the studio replied, "the Jews are criminals and our enemies."

Could any society in the world, apart from Islamist extremists, ever condone such vile behaviour?

Unfortunately, when children are taught racism, and hatred, it tends to affect their behaviour in later life.


Here is the link, in case you want to run it through the list of acceptable Hamas propaganda sites.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,553724,00.html
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Reply #221 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 2:29pm
 
Well i have to admit I have seen and read lots of this stuff about Muslims over the years even from those living here.

Frankly I don't see how you can break the cycle when parents and the state teach their children to hate and feed them lies.

Here is a summary that will aid in me not having to google everything for a change.

Hamas feeding kids a TV diet of hatred
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Wednesday, January 07, 2009 at 06:37pm 

ISRAEL’S Operation Cast Lead is unfolding like a familiar soap opera on the nightly news.

A series of Palestinian terrorists making blood-curdling threats against Israelis, a hail of missiles aimed at Israeli civilian targets, retaliatory strikes against the terrorists - who unfailingly seek to shelter behind innocent civilians - followed by scenes of weeping parents at crowded hospitals.

It is a plot line designed to soften the hardest heart. Unfortunately, those who buy the tear-jerking material unquestioningly are being duped.

No one, let alone a parent raised in a Western culture, could imagine placing children directly in harm’s way or encouraging impressionable infants to worship death but that is what the thugs and murderers responsible for the slaughter in Gaza have been doing.

It is an Islamist thing and Palestinian TV, often subsidised by the United Nations and European Union, is full of it.

In regular drama directed at kindergarten-aged children, children are taught that martyrdom is a beautiful state to aspire to, that suicide bombers are heroes and heroines and that even cartoon characters can sing and dance and murder their way into paradise.

Palestinian Media Watch and the Middle East Media Research Institute have been documenting this extraordinary perversion in recent years.

Among the scripts translated from Arabic is a cute story of the four-year-old daughter of female suicide bomber Reem Riyashi, shown singing to her dead mother and swearing to follow in her explosive footsteps. The video clip, aired on Hamas TV, depicts the little child asking her mother what she is carrying (it is explosives) and why she is putting on a hijab. All is made clear when the local newspaper (and headstone) reveals that mummy dearest was no soccer-mum but indeed a bomber-mum.

“Instead of me you carried a bomb in your hands. Only now, I know what was more precious than us . . . may your steps be blessed,” the little girl sings.

“Send greetings to our Messenger (Mohammed) and tell him: ‘Duha loves you.’ My love will not be (merely) words. I am following Mummy in her steps.”

At which point she finds some explosives her bomb-loving mum left in a drawer and picks up a stick, happily singing: “Oh Mummy, Oh Mummy.”

Don’t think this is some aberration. Abhorrent agitprop is the currency of Palestinian children’s television programming, with even cartoon characters depicting martyrdom as a highly desirable goal.

In a regular show on Hamas TV early last year, giant rabbit “Assud” replaced his brother “Nahoul” - a giant bee who had died after failing to get into hospital in Egypt for surgery.

Assud told his young audience: “We are all ready to sacrifice ourselves for the sake of our homeland. We will sacrifice our souls and everything we own for the homeland”, vowing also to “get rid of the Jews and eat them up”.

Regular viewers would recall Nahoul himself replaced “Farfour”, the Hamas mouse who was shown being “killed” on the show by an Israeli soldier in 2007.

As the young female host Saraa Bahoum told her audience: “Yes, my dear children, we have lost our dearest friend Farfour. Farfour was martyred while defending his land, the land of his fathers and forefathers. He was martyred at the hand of criminals, the murderers, the murderers of innocent children who killed Iman Hijo, Muhammed Al-Dura and many others.”

The martyred mouse was more likely a victim of copyright lawyers who saw too close a resemblance to Disney’s Mickey Mouse but that wasn’t in the script.

The bee made that clear when he said: “I want to continue in the path of Farfour - the path of Islam, of heroism, of martyrdom, of the mujahidin. Me and my friends will follow in the footsteps of Farfour. We will take revenge upon the enemies of Allah, the killer of the prophets and of the innocent children, until we liberate Al-Aqsa from their impurity. We place our trust in Allah.”

Indoctrinating children to become suicide bombers and human shields is a declared goal of Hamas, as Fathi Hamad, a representative of the terrorist organisation, proudly told the Palestine Authority Legislative Council last year.

“For the Palestinian people death became an industry at which women excel and so do all people on this land: the elderly excel, the Jihad fighters excel and the children excel,” Hamad said.

“Accordingly (Palestinians) created a human shield of women, children, the elderly and the Jihad fighters against the Zionist bombing machine, as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: ‘We desire death as you desire life’.”

To ensure that the “death industry” doesn’t experience a slow-down, Hamas has placed its fighters in civilian homes, schools and hospitals.

It would be inhuman in the extreme not to feel sympathy for the children being used in this callous manner but it would be unintelligent not to ask why those who are exploiting them are not being called to account.
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Reply #222 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 3:37pm
 

It'ld be nice to get a comment from abu or lestat on the posts pertaining to islamics training their kids to be suicide bombers ?

Apart from some personal attack sort of comment, that is.

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Reply #223 - Jan 8th, 2009 at 3:47pm
 
Lestat wrote on Jan 7th, 2009 at 6:45pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 7th, 2009 at 5:24pm:
It is about religion, about islam. It is about land only in so far as it is 'muslim' land.


Well actually, no it isn't about religon, though I understand that a bigot like you would like to make it appear so, as in your sick mind it would justify the murder of woman.



Very, well, if it's about land and not religion - why don't all the palestinians convert to judaism en masse. In an instant they would be on their own land without moving even an inch and they could go anywhere in Israel. Would be barred from every other Arab country, mind, but they are barred now, so that's no loss.


'Not about religion' - what nonsense.

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Hamas Bunny Assud Urges Boycott of Danish Goods and Threatens to Kill Danes over Muhammad Cartoons 

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Following are excerpts from a Hamas children's show, "The Pioneers of Tomorrow", which aired on Al-Aqsa TV on February 22, 2008:

Child host Saraa Barhoum: Amani, you've seen the kind of attack that the West launched against the Prophet Muhammad. What do you have to say on behalf of the Prophet Muhammad?

Amani, by phone: In the name of Allah, the Merciful, the Compassionate, I say to those cowardly infidels...

Assud the Bunny: Those criminals...

Amani: Yes, those criminals... You mock our Prophet Muhammad, but look, my beloved Prophet Muhammad, how Allah responded to them: "Allah shall pay them back for their mockery, and He leaves them alone in their excess, blindly wandering on." My beloved Messenger of Allah, they mocked you with their drawings, because they do not know the mercy in your heart. My beloved Muhammad, if they had known the mercy in your heart, they would not have done this to you. Allah knows that we love you, and that we will redeem you with our souls, our blood, and our hearts.

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Assud: Do you boycott Israeli and Danish products?

Amani: Yes, Assud. I do.

Assud: You've stopped eating them altogether?

Amani: I have.

Assud: That's great. Keep it up.

Saraa: All of us will definitely boycott Danish products, and even before that, we will boycott Israeli products, Amani.

Amani: With your permission, I'd like to continue.

Assud and Saraa: Go ahead.

Amani: Finally, I'd like to apologize to the Messenger of Allah. May Allah curse these infidels, who have gone astray. We the soldiers of the pioneers of tomorrow, apologize to you, beloved Messenger of Allah. Denmark has spoken heresy, but you are a source of pride and mercy for Islam and the Muslims.

Assud: The [American] cowboys have spoken heresy as well.

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Amani: Our brothers, the Americans, have affronted the Prophet Muhammad...

Assud: They are not our brothers, they are criminals.

Amani: What?

Assud: They are infidels, not our brothers.

Amani: They are enemies of Allah, and they have affronted the Prophet Muhammad.

[...]

Saraa: How did these Danes have the audacity to affront the Messenger of Allah? Do you have an answer to that, Assud?

Assud: No, I don't. Maybe because the Arabs and Muslims keep silent, [the Danes] humiliated them and did these things to them.

Saraa: That's one reason, but there is an even more important reason, Assud.

Assud: I have no idea.

Saraa: It's because the West has seen that we've moved away from the religion of Allah, and from the Sunna of our Prophet Muhammad. They have also seen that we have forsaken the religion of Allah, and therefore, they could affront the Prophet, because... We have done nothing to redeem the Prophet Muhammad. But I say to them: You haven't seen anything yet. Allah willing, the soldiers of the Pioneers of Tomorrow will redeem the Prophet Muhammad with all that they possess, and even with their blood, Assud. They will not allow them to do this again.

Assud: If they do it again, Saraa, we will kill them, right?

Saraa: Allah willing.

Assud: I will bite them and eat them up.

Saraa: Yes.

[...]

Assud, we are not terrorists. All we want is to get our beloved homeland, Palestine, back. We want all of Palestine to be ours. We are not terrorists...

Assud: Because it was ours to begin with, right?

Saraa: Right. They say we are terrorists merely because we want this, but of course, we're not terrorists...,/p>

Assud: They are the terrorists.

Saraa: Yes, Assud. Allah willing, we will regain the cities under Zionist occupation, such as Jaffe, Haifa, Acre, Ashdod, the village of Hoj, and all the Palestinian cities.

Assud: Saraa, do you know what I'm hoping for? I want us to take Jaffe, Acre, Haifa, and all of Palestine, Allah willing, and then we'll go to Iraq. All the borders will be opened. Between Egypt and us, there will be no barriers, and the same goes for Jordan and Saudi Arabia. We'll come and go by car. I hope this comes true. Do you think this will come true?

Saraa: Allah willing, this will come true soon.

Assud: Allah willing, when I am martyred, a tiger will take my place... Allah willing, I will be the one to fix things, and there won't be any tiger. The "Pioneers of Tomorrow" and I will make this dream come true.

[...]

Who will host this show if you are martyred? Will 100,000 Saraas take your place?

Saraa: Allah willing, Assud.

Assud: We'll take them from among the Pioneers of Tomorrow, Allah willing.

Saraa: Allah willing, there are thousands of soldiers of the Pioneers of Tomorrow.

Assud: Martyrdom for the sake of Allah is what we hope for, right?

Saraa: Right, Assud.

[...]

Saraa: What do you have to say to the cartoonist who started all this, and affronted the Prophet by drawing him?

Assud: He's a criminal...

Saraa: Yes, a criminal.

Tasnim, by phone: I say to him, and to all of them, that no matter how much they try to hide him, we will manage to kill him, to assassinate him.

Assud: Allah willing.

Saraa: I pray that Allah makes the earth swallow him up, so that he serves as a lesson to others like him, Tasnim.

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