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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Hamas - just another bunch of ignorant thugs. Reply #180 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 8:39am mantra????? Muslims look for allies everywhere it seems.
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Reply #181 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 8:45am

Grendel wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 8:08am:

SykesPico was superceeded by the mandate.

The majority of the MANDATE Abu the vast majority... is NOW JORDAN... you've been told and shown this a great many times. It is arab occupied land... good that you finally bothered to look something up yourself for a change.

The mandate was partitioned to give the Jews a proper homeland that could not be disputed. Now you can blame the British or the League of Nations for how it was done. But it was done. Nothing was stopping the other arab tribes from becoming Jordanians and being part of the 75% of palestine that is owned by arab muslims.

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people already lived in Palestine, arabs who had homes, land and farms. Families who had lived on the land for hundreds of years. Why should they have to get up and go to Jordon...which is not their homes, because some foreign entity decided to give their land to another people.

What a load of nonsence.

No one has the right to give away land which is not theirs.

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Reply #182 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 8:55am

soren,

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The Israeelis welcomees other joos from the Soviet Union and from Africa.

Quite easy to welcome people when you're welcoming them to someone elses land... To occupy settlements built ontop of the rubble of someone elses demolished home... Of course Israel needs to bring in Jews, if they don't, they know they'll be returned back from whence they came.

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The Palestinians are not allowed into any of the nuslim countries

So how is it Jordan came to have more Palestinians than Jordanians??

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BTW, there are more Arab Muslims in Israel today than in the whole of the BMT.

And there's more people in the city of Melbourne today than there was in all of Australia around the same period as the mandate... Never heard of something called population growth?

Grendel,

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The majority of the MANDATE Abu the vast majority... is NOW JORDAN... you've been told and shown this a great many times.

I know you have a habit of not realising when you've been severely embaressed in a discussion, but let me spell it out for you in simpler terms.

The BMP lasted for 28 years:

For the first year, it was just Palestine.
Then for about 1 year, Transjordan was lumped in with it officially (but was not even administered from the BMP capital of Jerusalem, but instead from Ma'an), but was then removed.
Then for 26 more years, it was just Palestine....

Sinking in?

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The mandate was partitioned to give the Jews a proper homeland that could not be disputed.

Which partition are you referring to? The only partition that ever took place was the UN partition of 1948 which had nothing to do with Transjordan, and was carried out 26 years after Transjordan was removed from the mandate.... and was only carried out on the land West of the Jordan River, ie. Palestine proper.

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Nothing was stopping the other arab tribes from becoming Jordanians

Nothing to stop you from becoming a Western Australian if Muslims decide to overrun your home...

Learn to accept the advice you give, because one day you might need to take it

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Reply #183 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 8:57am

ROTFLMAO... oh dear there was a war Lestat the British won... they had control over all that land.

Oh BTW there were Jewish settlement there too and lest not get too carried away when describing tribes eh.

Oh and why should not the Jews be entitled to land and only the newly names Palestinians?

Your hypocrisy bias and ignorance knows no bounds... I can't be bothered posting every bloody reason why what occurred occurred.

I have never said it was equible or done well... but it was done. The region even went to war over it and guess who won.

get a life and address reality or go over there and put your money where your mouth is.

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Reply #184 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 8:58am

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so tell us once again Grendel...why should people who have established homes, farms, and links to the land be forced to move hundreds of km's away because some foreign power gives their land to another people.

Care to address the question or do you wish to continue to announce to us all that you have nothing to add...

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Hamas - just another bunch of ignorant thugs. Reply #185 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:00am I already addressed it mod: personal attack ... you clearly don't get it.
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Reply #186 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:11am

Grendel wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 8:57am:

ROTFLMAO... oh dear there was a war Lestat the British won... they had control over all that land.

This still does not give the British the right to give land to another people, land which already has occupants.

Grendel wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 8:57am:

Oh BTW there were Jewish settlement there too and lest not get too carried away when describing tribes eh.

Huh...what does 'tribes' have to do with it. Its irrelevant..fact is they are people, and they had lived on the land for hundreds of years. And for some reason you expect them to pick up, pack up and go, to make room for another people.

As has already been mentioned, at the time, the jews only made up 2% of the population.

Grendel wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 8:57am:

Oh and why should not the Jews be entitled to land and only the newly names Palestinians?

What they are named is irrelevant, fact is they had lived on the land for hundreds of years. Jews were entitled to land, only if they owned that land....however, they were given a state, and then commenced to systematically steal land from the Palestinians, using terror tactics, gangs like Irgun and Stern forced the Palestinian farmers, who were often poorly armed to flee, and then commenced to steal their land.

This theft has continued for the past 60 years...and is still occuring to this day where Israeli's bulldoze arab homes in East Jerusalem and replace them with Israeli settlers.

Grendel wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 8:57am:

Your hypocrisy bias and ignorance knows no bounds... I can't be bothered posting every bloody reason why what occurred occurred.

How am I being a hypocrite? Please Explain?

It is actually your hypocricy which knows no bounds. You are stating that the 2% jews deserved their own homeland, yet if muslims in Australia demanded the same, then you would be the first to be squealing like a b(ctch.

This my friend...is a clear case of hypocricy!

Grendel wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 8:57am:

I have never said it was equible or done well... but it was done. The region even went to war over it and guess who won.

So you are not saying it was 'done well', but you are still arguing that the Palestinians should of just up and left and gone to Jordan.

Righteo...

Grendel wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 8:57am:

get a life and address reality or go over there and put your money where your mouth is.

I am addressing the reality..whereas you are parrotting word for word the same old zionist lies and propaganda.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Hamas - just another bunch of ignorant thugs. Reply #187 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:28am You do have problems grasping reality political an otherwise don't you. I suggest you go find a reliable history book about the ME and then get back to me. be happy to explain anything you still don't understand.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Hamas - just another bunch of ignorant thugs. Reply #188 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:32am abu_rashid wrote on Jan 8^th, 2009 at 8:55am: So how is it Jordan came to have more Palestinians than Jordanians?? Jordanian, Palestinian - what's the difference?
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Reply #189 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:33am

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mantra?????

Muslims look for allies everywhere it seems.

That's not true. There are things I don't like about Islam which I've pointed out before on this forum, but most decent human beings detest crimes against humanity and the more I read on this subject the more I understand that there are certain groups of people in this world who are oppressed and brutalised and others who are revered.

Because records of so many different incidents and transgressions in history are kept in so many different languages - we can't just asume that the English version is correct every time.

How do you know that Israel wasn't originally set up as a military base and the UN intentionally or unintentionally used it under the guise of a Jewish homeland?

This would kill two birds with the one stone. The EU & US would have their finger on every pulse in the ME. Why is Israel the only state allowed to have such an arsonal of nuclear weapons?

Sprintcyclist made a comment about Hamas driving the Jews into the sea - it's the other way around. This is a major crisis, perhaps not on the same numerous scale as Darfur or Zimbabwe - but put into the same "last on the list of things to do" basket.

"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." --Rabbi Ya'acov Perin in his eulogy at the funeral of mass murderer Dr. Baruch Goldstein.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Hamas - just another bunch of ignorant thugs. Reply #190 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:36am What's not true? lestat was putting you forward as part of the "team" mantra... Nothing I said was wrong. Oh and mantra... puhlease, we aqll know the stuff muslims say about Jews and teach their children in schools and on TV. Forgot that did we?
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mantra Gold Member Offline ozpolitic.com Posts: 10750 Gender:	Re: Hamas - just another bunch of ignorant thugs. Reply #191 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:38am You were inferring that only the naive support the arguments of the Muslims.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Hamas - just another bunch of ignorant thugs. Reply #192 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 9:41am nah... I know what I said. I was replying to lestat.
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Hamas - just another bunch of ignorant thugs. Reply #193 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 10:57am this is a general reminder for everyone to stay on topic, be constructive with your comments and don't devolve into personal attacks
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Hamas - just another bunch of ignorant thugs. Reply #194 - Jan 8^th, 2009 at 11:19am Well you better get a bucket out and pour it over lestat because I'm sick of answering his flames.
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