abu_rashid wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 8:39am:


Their incentive is to sacrifice children for a news headline. Most of the time the sacrifice wasn't even worth that pultry exchange because most people have now worked out what Hamas is doing.

Hamas bare 100% of the blame for those children's death, not Isreal.

locutius wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 12:37pm:


I know I said I would never post here again...but really, I just cant let this ignorance and complete disdain for human life to pass.

So let me get this straight...Israel bomb a UN school, which was quite clearly marked, where a number of civilians were hiding in refuge, where there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Hamas were using the school in any way (except for the usual Israeli propaganda), killing scores of civilians, including children...

And you still insist that HAMAS is to blame.

Tell me Locuitus..is there any incident....any at all, where you would or could even remotely lay blame..any blame on the IDF.

ANY?

Seems that no matter what the IDF do, you will blame the arabs. Its convenient isn't it. IDF kills civilians...its Hamas fault. IDF shoot Palestinian children...its HAMAS's fault.

Pretty convenient huh.....doesn't matter how horrible the act, or attroctious the crime...anything that the Israeli's do can and will be blamed on the arabs....right Locuitus.

Like seriously...I'm in interested in knowing....is their any circumstance in which you would take a step back...and lay blame on the IDF.

Yet your despicable logic for some reason doesn't work both ways. After 60 years of persecution and oppression, for some reason you don't believe that Palestinians have the right to self defence.

When Palestinians murder an innocent Israeli....do you blame Israel for the death? Of course not.

So despite the fact that Palestinians have suffered at the hands of Israel for decades...any Isreali death at the hands of the Palestinians..is a act to be condemned, and those who did the killings are to blame.

Yet, whenever the IDF kill a Palestinian...it is in fact the Palestinians, and not the Israeli's who is at fault.

Even despite the fact far far more innocent Palestinians have been murdered by the Israel then vice versa...you can't look past your bigotry and hate, and still insist on blaming the victims...the Palestinians for their plight.

For someone who once claimed he doesn't 'hate', your bigotry is staggering.

And just like that....you accept the Israeli's lies.

I suggest you do some research. For 6 months, HAMAS had a truce with the IDF. For 6 months HAMAS DID NOT fire rockets into Israel, and stopped numerous other Palestinian organisations from doing so.

Yes, they did not manage to stop them all...however, the fact is neither could the PA or even the IDF themselves, when they occupied Gaza.

As a part of the truce, it was agreed that Israel would release Gaza from the illegal blockade...which in itself is an act of war. Israel never did this..so from day one they had broken the truce.

Dispite this, HAMAS still did not fire rockets, and stuck to the truce. How were they repaid.....by targetted killings and numerous bombings and incusions by the Israeli military.

Don't believe me...fine, I don't expect you too. Do you own research. Fact is...in the 6 months of the truce, not one Israeli was killed by an attack from HAMAS. Not one.

In that time...scores of Palestinians have been killed by Israel...including woman and children. These are the facts...and none of your spin or IDF propaganda can change that.

The 6 months truce meant calm for Israeli citizens...in the meantime Israel increased its stranglehold on Gaza, continued to enforce its blockade, and continued its criminal activities which included targetting killings and indiscriminate bombings.

HAMAS could not renew such an agreement.

But of course.....I forgot...you believe that anything that Israel does can ultimately be blamed on HAMAS. I forgot.....your bigotry means that anything that Israel says...is to be believed.

And the sad thing is....this has all happened before. When Israel bombed the bejesus out of Lebennon...killing 1000 civilians...once again, it wasn't Israel's fault was it...no, ofcourse, Hezbollah was to blame. And now when Israel do like wise to Gaza..its Hamas fault.

I think I'm beginning to notice a pattern here. Seems that Israel are never to blame for any one they kill or any attrocitiy they commit. Its not their fault..no, its the muslims. 

Yes, I forgot, all muslims are evil....yes...we get it.

locutius wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 1:59pm:


of course not, its simple...and rather convenient. Israel is never to blame...its those evil muslims again.

And this works fine for you,  you can justify your hate....again.

mozzaok wrote on Jan 7^th, 2009 at 10:44am:


just one question. if palestinians were not majority muslim, if they were catholic or even secular- do you think that they would not have fought back against the creation of israel?

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why is it that palestinian attacks are called terror attacks but israeli attacks are just called warfare?

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palestine isn't their neighbour- theyre the dispossessed people's who belong the the land currently occupied by israel, some of it illegally occupied as recognised by the UN (although some would argue the whole occupation is 'illegal')

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I really doubt you'd know anything about the Crusades. They are another part of the Revisionist Hate Yourself Counter-Culture that is pseudo trendy to believe.

The point of the past is that the beliefs of Islam were the same. The behavior was the same. Except there was no Israel to blame.

King Richard the Lionheart's coat of arms still proudly hangs in all courts New South Wales, and so it should. He realised, as do some politicians today, that the only way to defeat Islam is to go where they live. Not wait around for the next attack.

But feel free to debate them with me at any time.

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No - there will never be peace while Islam is not in charge. And I dont want Islam to be in charge. I dont respect their religion, or their beliefs, and I dont care if they are offended.

I dont want to be a dhimmi with no rights under some Islamofacist regime or help them get there to prove how politically correct and tolerant I am. They use our democracy, to destroy our democracy. The freedom to assemble, meet and worship is just used to plot in excruciating detail, our demise and teh demise of our society and culture. I've got a truckload of documents to back that up and I am writing a book about it.

I dont blame people too much for not knowing any better - they just dont.

As to Israel - the UK had control over all of Palestine. They gave 80% to create Jordan. They gave 10% to the Palestinians. And they gave 10% to the Jews which formed Israel. What was so 'unfair' about that. The UK didnt have to give 100 per cent of anything to anyone.  The Jews moved their as immigrants, like immigrants have moved to Australia, to the UK, to places all over the world.

The big difference being that in the BMP - the Arabs, because of their Islamic beliefs, immediately attacked and killed the Jews. And the Jews fought back. And then the UK was stuck in the middle. If the Arabs had just got along with the people there like us tolerant westerners, there would never have been a problem.

Can you imagine how Saudi Arabia, or Egypt or Iran or any of those places would deal with all Christians if a group of Christian terrorists blew up their subway? It wouldnt be as tolerant as we have been.

And because Arabic muslims living the BMP have the god given right to exterminate Jewish immigrants, those immigrants need to pack up and leave? What a load of bs.

I had a conversation with a Palestinian who said 'We have a right to kill the Jews. They dont belong in our country. Never did. They come to our country as immigrants, buy our land and so on, bring their religion and their stupid culture. We dont want them they dont belong so we have the right to kill them. If someone comes to your land, and has a different culture, and you were here first, you would kill them to yes?"

So I say to him 'So I dont like Palestinians in Australia, do I have the right to kill them?'

"Er, no...er..well, Australia is a tolerant country everyone is welcome here. It's different.'

So why is it different? Why do the arabs have the right to kill Jewish immigrants who settled within the British Empire - but everyone has to put up with the far more poorly behaved Arabic immigrants in the name of tolerance?

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They won in 1948.

They won in 1967

They won in 1973.

So they are going to win. It's just a question of when.

I'm sorry gaybriel but your reasoning is just too idiotic for me to bother with.

gaza isn't next to israel...  ROTFLMAO