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Reply #105 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 6:35am
 
Well the half hearted calls, from some western countries, for a cease fire, shows just how little support that Palestinians still have.

People have stuck up for them before, to try and broker a peace, but just see them go straight back to provocative acts of terrorism.

I won't be surprised if the west sits back and lets the Isralis finally do the job, and drive these wackjobs right away from their territory, to a place where they can continue to indulge their violent nature, by just killing each other.

After all, after killing a jew, a muslim loves killing other muslims, best.
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Reply #106 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 6:40am
 
It's call being at war Abu...  now if Hamas would like to come out in the open accidents would be less likely to happen.
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Reply #107 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 8:15am
 
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So when Palestinians are killed it's 'tough luck' that's what being at war is about, yet when the shoe's on the other foot it's a horrific tragedy and all the other jazz? I'm not surprised.

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now if Hamas would like to come out in the open accidents would be less likely to happen.


Hamas are out in the open fighting, resisting the invasion, hundreds of their memmbers have been killed. What leads you to believe they're not out in the open? Besides the usual IDF propaganda?

I'm sorry but targetting a school is not an accident, this is a clear war crime, by any standard, unless you have your own standard in which it is not. Even if Hamas made their headquarters in the school, firing missiles on it would still be a war crime. The fact that you think otherwise is quite disturbing.
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Reply #108 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 8:23am
 
Now lets see abu.

hamas get elected on the basis of their extremism, their promise to murder ALL jews.
Since that election they have murderered the fatah members and continually send rockets over to israel.

Finally israel are determined to live in peace.
So who is to blame ?

hamas or those that elected them ?

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Reply #109 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 8:28am
 
Paedophile priests?

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And it's not just the Catholics, even some of your fellow 'charismatics' have been caught out in the US. Some of the biggest leaders actually. Doing drugs and having sex with young boys etc. I'm sure it exists here also..
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Reply #110 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 8:32am
 
abu_rashid wrote on Jan 7th, 2009 at 8:15am:
I'm sorry but targetting a school is not an accident, this is a clear war crime, by any standard, unless you have your own standard in which it is not. Even if Hamas made their headquarters in the school, firing missiles on it would still be a war crime. The fact that you think otherwise is quite disturbing.


Except that Hamas was using the schools to fire mortars at the Israelis in the hope that Israel wouldnt risk firing back, to hand the enemy a propaganda victory. It was a win win for Hamas. If they fire from behind women and children sheltering at the school, they have a firebase with immunity. If Israel does happen to fire back, they can scream 'War crime' as you are doing.

Israel would have known very well what its options were, and decided that the Hamas mortar team had to go.  Even though their would be the inevitable 'war crime' claim by people like yourself.
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Reply #111 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 8:38am
 
Geez Sprint, you really do yourself, and those who seek to highlight the problems arising from Islamic extremism, absolutely no credit, when you lower the debate to such petty, childish, insults.
There are plenty of valid reasons to challenge Islam over, without resorting to adolescent taunting.

Now Abu, you say the Israelis hitting the UN school with artillery was a war crime, and I certainly would not argue against that, without knowing all the circumstances which led to the event occurring, so I will agree that it is totally unacceptable, but I will reserve judgement on just how "criminal" it was, until after all the facts come to light, but prima facie, I agree that it looks unforgivable.

Now we certainly know that Hamas, sometimes uses schools to launch attacks on Israel from.
Do you denounce Hamas for those actions?
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Reply #112 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 8:39am
 
Firstly the Palestinians have known for a very long time that even if they were to be 'hiding in schools' that the IDF would have few qualms about firing on them, so there's very little incentive for them to do so, which just blows this whole human shields nonsense to pieces. Secondly, not a single IDF fault can be found, in media reports, because they always have these excuses, 100% of the time, without fail, even though some of their own soldiers have at times broken rank and admitted it's all a load of crap. And the sad thing is, ignoramuses such as yourself never twig...

Not to worry.
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Reply #113 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 8:44am
 
30 reported killed in blast at UN school

By YAAKOV KATZ, AP AND JPOST.COM STAFF

At least 30 people were reportedly killed and 53 wounded in an explosion in a UN-run school in the town of Jabalya in the northern Gaza Strip, according to Palestinians. The IDF issued a statement saying the school grounds were used by terrorists to fire mortar shells at the troops. According to the IDF, among the dead were members of a Hamas launching cell, including operatives Immad Abu Askar and Hassan Abu Askar.

Gaza UN school as previously filmed by IDF drone.

Photo: IDF

Slideshow: Troops inside Gaza The infantrymen returned mortar shell fire into the school grounds, the army said. Defense officials told The Associated Press that booby-trapped bombs in the school triggered the secondary explosions which killed scores of Palestinians on the site.

The IDF released a video taken by a UAV in the end of 2007 showing terrorists firing mortar shells from right outside the school.

"Hamas has in the past fired at Israel and at troops from inside schools, making use of civilians, as is proven by UAV footage," the army said.

The United Nations said hundreds of people from a Gaza City refugee camp had sought shelter in the school from Israel's 11-day offensive against the Hamas terror group.

"There's nowhere safe in Gaza. Everyone here is terrorized and traumatized," said John Ging, the top UN official in Gaza.

"I am appealing to political leaders here and in the region and the world to get their act together and stop this," he said, speaking at Gaza's largest hospital. "They are responsible for these deaths."

Earlier Tuesday, seven Palestinians were killed in several separate incidents. One young man was killed in an attack on a Hamas charity building, a 15-year-old was killed in an air force attack in the center of Gaza City and five Palestinians were killed when their house in the eastern part of Gaza City was shelled.

Palestinians also said nine members of the same family were killed in the Zaytoun neighborhood of Gaza, six of them children. Three other people were reportedly killed in the strike. The Jerusalem Post could not independently confirm the Palestinian reports.

Also on Tuesday, the IAF struck the home of one of the founders of Hamas's rocket division on Tuesday morning, as Operation Cast Lead entered its eleventh day.

The IDF said that terror chief Iman Siam was in his house at the time of the air strike in the Jabalya neighborhood of northern Gaza.

The army said that in addition to being a founder of Hamas's rocket launching program, Siam was also the head of the group's artillery program throughout the Gaza Strip.

At least 10 Hamas and Islamic Jihad gunmen were killed in other Gaza battles early Tuesday, the IDF said. Palestinians put the number of fatalities at 25.

In central Gaza, the navy fired on targets in Deir al-Balah and in the El-Bureij refugee camp.

There was also fighting in Jabalya and in the Zeitun neighborhood of Gaza City.

Over the past 24 hours the IDF has reported escalating clashes in Gaza, with over 50 separate incidents in northern Gaza.

Paratroopers operating near the town of El-Atatra discovered on Tuesday a booby-trapped doll at the entrance to a smuggling tunnel. The doll was safely dismantled.

In an overnight clash, paratroopers operating near El-Atatra spotted a suicide bomber and opened fire on him. The shooting triggered his explosive belt, which killed him when it detonated. One soldier was lightly wounded in the incident.

The IDF announced that it had conducted over 30 sorties during overnight operations late Monday and early Tuesday. During the raids, IAF planes bombed the Jabalya home of Basal Abu Wadi, a prominent Hamas military officer who was at the level of a company commander in Izzadim Kassam. The Jubalya home of another Hamas officer, Ashraf Guda, was also destroyed in a different air strike. His house was said to function as a Hamas Command and Control Center. The house of a third company commander in the military wing, Iman Jalala, was also targeted overnight.

Elsewhere, a booby-trapped house was bombed. The IDF believed that there were a number of smuggling tunnels under the house.

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Reply #114 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 8:45am
 
EXCLUSIVE-Gaza headmaster was Islamic Jihad "rocket-maker"

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RAFAH, Gaza Strip, May 5 (Reuters) - By day, Awad al-Qiq was a respected science teacher and headmaster at a United Nations school in the Gaza Strip. By night, Palestinian militants say, he built rockets for Islamic Jihad.

The Israeli air strike that killed the 33-year-old last week also laid bare his apparent double life and embarrassed a U.N. agency which has long had to rebuff Israeli accusations that it has aided and abetted guerrillas fighting the Jewish state.

In interviews with Reuters, students and colleagues, as well as U.N. officials, denied any knowledge of Qiq's work with explosives. And his family denied he had any militant links at all, despite a profusion of Islamic Jihad posters at his home.

But militant leaders allied to the enclave's ruling Hamas group hailed him as a martyr who led Islamic Jihad's "engineering unit" -- its bomb makers. They fired a salvo of improvised rockets into Israel in response to his death.

Qiq's body was wrapped in an Islamic Jihad flag at his funeral, pictorial posters in his honour still bedeck his family home this week, and a handwritten notice posted on the metal gate at the entrance to the school declared that Qiq, "the chief leader of the engineering unit", would now find "paradise".

That poster was removed soon after Reuters visited the Rafah Prep Boys School, run by the U.N. Relief and Works Agency for Palestinian refugees. Staff there said on Monday that UNRWA officials had told them not to discuss Qiq's activities.

No one from the United Nations attended the funeral or has paid their respects to the family, relatives said, adding that Qiq's widow and five children had heard nothing about a pension.

Spokesman Christopher Gunness said UNRWA, which spelled its teacher's surname al-Geeg, was looking into the matter.

"We have a zero-tolerance policy towards politics and militant activities in our schools. Obviously, we are not the thought police and we cannot police people's minds," he said.

He added that staff were also regularly instructed not to engage in political or militant activities of any kind.

The Israeli army said its April 30 attack at Rafah, close to the Egyptian border, hit a workshop used for making rockets and other improvised weaponry. An Israeli intelligence source told Reuters that Qiq was involved in developing rockets and mortars.

Yet Qiq, a physics graduate with eight years' experience of teaching at UNRWA schools, was also described by colleagues as a rising star in education. Relatives said he was promoted to run the school last year, with the title of deputy headmaster.



DOUBLE LIFE

The case of Awad al-Qiq highlights the complexities of life among the 1.5 million people of the Gaza Strip, where close to half voted for Hamas in 2006. Hamas fighters join Islamic Jihad in campaigns of rockets and suicide bombing in pursuit of a stated goal of recovering all Palestinian lands lost to Israel.

Qiq's high profile as both a public figure and in the secret world is unusual enough to cause considerable interest among those in Gaza who were surprised by the funeral arrangements.

Sympathies for guerrillas, who number in the tens of thousands, are widespread despite Israeli efforts to discredit Hamas and its allies by choking food and fuel supplies to the population.

That tactic has also set Israel and UNRWA at odds. The agency, set up to care for Palestinian refugees, has spoken out against what it calls collective punishment of civilians.

Israel has long alleged that militants use UNRWA vehicles and facilities. The United Nations has denied those charges, although some UNRWA employees have had prominent political roles in groups like Hamas -- such as teacher Saeed Seyam, who was interior minister in the Hamas-led government elected in 2006.

Some Western officials say the agency, as one of the biggest employers in the Gaza Strip, simply reflects the society it serves. But donors such as the United States, which fund UNRWA's work, insist on vetting procedures to ensure their cash does not reach groups they class as terrorists -- such as Islamic Jihad.

While many in Gaza are open about political allegiances, the threat of the kind of Israeli action that cost him his life on April 30 meant Qiq's double role was kept very secret indeed.

Surrounded by Islamic Jihad mourning posters at the family home, his sister Naima insisted: "He's only a teacher and head of the school. School was his life. He had no time to work with Islamic Jihad." Other family members nodded in agreement.

At the school, a 17-year-old who gave his name as Shadi read a poster for his former teacher and said simply: "Nobody knew."

At the bombed-out workshop 3 km (2 miles) from the school, damaged cars can be seen through now-locked gates. A 35-year-old man who gave his name as Abu Mohammed said he had found Qiq dying inside after helicopters fired a missile at the building.

"He was still alive, but he died shortly after," he said.

Relatives recalled with pride that Qiq had met John Ging, UNRWA's Gaza operations director. But while fellow teachers had come to pay their respects, they saw no U.N. representative.

http://www.reuters.com/article/middleeastCrisis/idUSL05686115

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Reply #115 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 8:48am
 
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Now Abu, you say the Israelis hitting the UN school with artillery was a war crime, and I certainly would not argue against that


The first voice of reason. Mozza, do you condemn those people who think that such attacks are justified and in fact cheer them? Because sadly, half your mates here now seem to be doing that.

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without knowing all the circumstances which led to the event occurring


Interesting that when the Palestinians launch attacks, you're not interested at all in 'knowing alll the circumstances', the media say it's an unspeakable act of terrorism, you nod on in agreeance and accept it without question.

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Now we certainly know that Hamas, sometimes uses schools to launch attacks on Israel from


How do you know they do? Other than from the usual IDF propaganda reports in the media? Do you think it would be in the IDF's interests to say we fired on a school because we just wanted to flatten their city? Or even to actually kill kids? IDF soldiers have admitted to targetting children, and have reported that it is common to target children. As I said above, I don't really think you're interested at all in 'knowing all the facts'.

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Do you denounce Hamas for those actions?


I see no evidence, other than IDF reports in the media, that they do this.

However, IDF soldiers themselves have admitted to using Palestinian women and children as 'human shields' and have admitted to stationing themselves in Palestinian homes regularly, in order to 'discourage' Palestinians from attacking them, or even just if they wanna watch sporting events on TV...
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Reply #116 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 8:49am
 

mozzaok - sorry.

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Reply #117 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 8:54am
 
Calanen does that somehow justify firing on schools or something?

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, and the most worrying part is you think you're fighting a violent and barbaric ideology, when it is yourself who obviously subscribes to the violent and barbaric ideology, one where justifying and accepting dropping bombs on schools is routine. So long as you can come up with a good excuse for doing it...
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Reply #118 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:02am
 
abu - there were islamics in the school firing mortars.
Being muslim islamics they had kids with them.


THAT justifies ridding the planet of them and that belief
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Reply #119 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 10:26am
 
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It's time you entered the real world.

Israelis may be paranoid and have a loooooong memory, and be a little too unforgiving for my like,  etc, etc, etc...  but they don't target schools without good cause.

But of course it is just Western propaganda that Islamic Nutjobs from Hamas were firing rockets from there.

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