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Reply #15 - Jan 1st, 2009 at 6:46pm
 
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mantra - hamas has been sending missiles over to israel for decades.
they refuse to recognise israel and its people.
israel has been the target of threats from islamics for years, this has been growing lately.


I'm sure this is probably true, but in one of the other threads someone mentioned there were a million Palestinian refugees that wouldn't get accepted by any other Muslim state.

In the first place - why should a million people get displaced because the Jews wanted to live in Israel.  There shouldn't have been so many refugees - why couldn't they stay in Israel? Although there's 2 million Iraqi refugees who no-one wants and why is that - considering we are responsible for their plight.

As Abu said Hamas were democratically elected and they offered a lifeline to these desperate and disadvantaged Palestinians who are blocked in all their movements and their life resources.

Why should Hamas recognise Israel as a state of the Jews - they believe Israel belongs to them and so they should.

And Sprintcyclist - I still liken this to our aboriginal people.  The fuss that's kicked up when the aborigines want a little bit of their land back is abhorrent.  If the Jews did live in Israel for 3,000 years - the aboriginal people lived in Australia for 60,000 years and on that principle it gives them the same right as the Jews to reclaim their historical homeland.
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Reply #16 - Jan 1st, 2009 at 6:54pm
 
The problem is there aren't enough Aborigines around to reclaim it, or enough non-Aboriginals ready to give up their livelihood.

Have you noticed that the traditional Aboriginal culture is not as promoted as it once was? Finding an Aboriginal tracker these days is not as easy as it used to be.

I've heard rumours from well placed sources that during the Vietnam war Aboriginal trackers were used by the USA clandestinely. So, you would assume the USA would have that knowledge now. And traditional Aboriginal living is more discouraged than encouraged today.

A rumour I heard from an internet based source, and therefore cannot lend credibility to, is that mining interests in WA are destroying traditional Aboriginal artwork in order to search for resources. Would be easy to confirm with people working the mines though.
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Reply #17 - Jan 1st, 2009 at 7:06pm
 
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A rumour I heard from an internet based source, and therefore cannot lend credibility to, is that mining interests in WA are destroying traditional Aboriginal artwork in order to search for resources. Would be easy to confirm with people working the mines though.


It is true Easel - they have discovered tonnes of rock art at Burrup, WA.  The Greens have been fighting the mines who are just treating it as rubble while they expand.  This rock art is extremely valuable - it's just a pity that the previous government looked on it as rubble too.  I'm not sure whether Rudd is going to intervene.

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The problem is there aren't enough Aborigines around to reclaim it, or enough non-Aboriginals ready to give up their livelihood.


That is true - they've been denigrated to such an extent that most of them have no motivation to do anything, although I believe Muslims are now converting aborigines to Islam.  It would be an interesting scenario if their numbers built up to such an extent through inter-racial marriage - they would then have the strength and legal claim to prime coastal land where they originally lived for so many thousands of years.

Our grandchildren could end up being refugees.  
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Reply #18 - Jan 1st, 2009 at 7:51pm
 
Mantra, I can't see Islam fitting in with traditional Aboriginal philosophy and way of life. Chalk and cheese.
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Reply #19 - Jan 1st, 2009 at 8:15pm
 
Calanen wrote on Jan 1st, 2009 at 6:21pm:
As for literature about starting their own states, Jemiah Islamiah has stated that Australia should be part of the great Asian Caliphate. I think that this literature applies to all muslims in this part of the world, as Jemiah Islamiah clearly speaks for them too. So when do we get to arm up and clear out the invaders?


JI is AQ linked which is CIA linked.
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Reply #20 - Jan 2nd, 2009 at 1:46am
 
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The Arabs in the BMP started as soon as the first Jews arrived.


Do you actually believe this crap you type?

It wasn't until the 1920's that any Arab resistance to the mass Jewish immigration began. When they'd become about 20% of the population.

Muslims are less than 2% of Australia now, and you're already drawing up battle plans to expel them.
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