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Reply #75 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 6:12pm
 
I thought I had seen those photos before, is all. Must be mistaken, or de ja vu, or they are using the same ones still.

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Reply #76 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 10:38pm
 
Calanen wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 6:03pm:
easel wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 6:14pm:
How old are those photos Calanen?


Current, released today or yesterday.

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0eToeOx9YrgMg/A_Palestinian_father_carries_his_woun...

http://www.daylife.com/photo/07HqgalbyofnJ/A_Palestinian_carries_a_child_into_th...

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If you think the USA/Israel/everyone else doesn't propaganda, you are mistaken.


Post their propaganda too if you like, I don't mind.

I'm just posting Pallywood. Pallywood loves to stage a scene though, in ways that I've not seen the US or Israel do.


you mean like half the movies hollywood spins out about the war? nooo they're not propaganda at all

body of lies is one recent example

not to mention the spin doctors from israel on the tv talking absolute tripe. I saw some israeli military defence guy on the tv tonight talking about how they're sending a message that hamas firing rockets will not be tolerated- ignoring the fact that israel actually broke the cease fire back in november

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KntmpoRXFX4
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Reply #77 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 10:49pm
 
Gaybriel wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 10:38pm:
Calanen wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 6:03pm:
easel wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 6:14pm:
How old are those photos Calanen?


Current, released today or yesterday.

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0eToeOx9YrgMg/A_Palestinian_father_carries_his_woun...

http://www.daylife.com/photo/07HqgalbyofnJ/A_Palestinian_carries_a_child_into_th...

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If you think the USA/Israel/everyone else doesn't propaganda, you are mistaken.


Post their propaganda too if you like, I don't mind.

I'm just posting Pallywood. Pallywood loves to stage a scene though, in ways that I've not seen the US or Israel do.


you mean like half the movies hollywood spins out about the war? nooo they're not propaganda at all

body of lies is one recent example

not to mention the spin doctors from israel on the tv talking absolute tripe. I saw some israeli military defence guy on the tv tonight talking about how they're sending a message that hamas firing rockets will not be tolerated- ignoring the fact that israel actually broke the cease fire back in november as confirmed by the UN

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KntmpoRXFX4



Well, here's more crazy propaganda for you:

Israel pulled out of gaza in 2005. It was completely judenfrei. Still, since hamas was elected in 2006, they fired thousands of rockets into Israel - which was NOT occupying gaza.  Hamas had absolutely no justification to fire those rockets.

So - why do it?



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Reply #78 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 10:52pm
 
first of all that has nothing to do with propaganda

secondly- I would say hamas fired the rockets because of the ongoing conflict, wouldn't you?

but again- I was talking about propaganda about the conflict
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Reply #79 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 10:57pm
 
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you mean like half the movies hollywood spins out about the war? nooo they're not propaganda at all


Tu quoque (IPA: /tu ˈkwoʊkwɛ/, Latin for "You, too" or "You, also") is a Latin term used to mean a type of logical fallacy. The argument states that a certain position is false or wrong and/or should be disregarded because its proponent fails to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. It is considered an ad hominem argument, since it focuses on the party itself, rather than its positions.

Contents [hide]
1 Illegitimate use
1.1 You-too version
1.1.1 Legal aspects
1.2 Inconsistency version
2 Legitimate uses
2.1 You-too version
2.2 Inconsistency version
3 See also
4 References

Illegitimate use

In many cases tu quoque arguments are used in a logically fallacious way, to draw a conclusion which is not supported by the premises of the argument.

You-too version

This form of the argument is as follows:

A makes criticism P.
A is also guilty of P.
Therefore, P is dismissed.
This is an instance of the two wrongs make a right fallacy.

Example:

"He cannot accuse me of libel because he was just successfully sued for libel."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque
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Reply #80 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 11:02pm
 
Gaybriel wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 10:52pm:
first of all that has nothing to do with propaganda

secondly- I would say hamas fired the rockets because of the ongoing conflict, wouldn't you?

but again- I was talking about propaganda about the conflict



There is ongoing conflict only because hamas has been firing missiles into israel. The conflict is about 'enough is enough', in a nutshell.

If this is propaganda -unmask me. Start by saying what reason hamas, the electeed party in Gaza, had to shell israel which pulled OUT of gaza before hamas came to power.





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Reply #81 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 11:05pm
 
Soren wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 11:02pm:
Gaybriel wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 10:52pm:
first of all that has nothing to do with propaganda

secondly- I would say hamas fired the rockets because of the ongoing conflict, wouldn't you?

but again- I was talking about propaganda about the conflict



There is ongoing conflict only because hamas has been firing missiles into israel. The conflict is about 'enough is enough', in a nutshell.

If this is propaganda -unmask me. Start by saying what reason hamas, the electeed party in Gaza, had to shell israel which pulled OUT of gaza before hamas came to power.







I think the plight of palestinians has been fairly covered here

the propaganda I refer to is the israeli govt denying what has been blatantly proven to be true.
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Reply #82 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 11:07pm
 
I thought this thread was about the israeli bombings now. Why are you dodging it all of a sudden?

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Reply #83 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 11:11pm
 
Soren wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 11:07pm:
I thought this thread was about the israeli bombings now. Why are you dodging it all of a sudden?



I'm not-I've just said it all before and don't feel like repeating myself. read my other posts
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Reply #84 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 11:19pm
 
Calanen wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 10:57pm:
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you mean like half the movies hollywood spins out about the war? nooo they're not propaganda at all


Tu quoque (IPA: /tu ˈkwoʊkwɛ/, Latin for "You, too" or "You, also") is a Latin term used to mean a type of logical fallacy. The argument states that a certain position is false or wrong and/or should be disregarded because its proponent fails to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it. It is considered an ad hominem argument, since it focuses on the party itself, rather than its positions.


whilst your ability to cut and paste is nothing short of impressive - you asked for examples of propaganda by america and I gave them

should I not answer your question next time? would that be better?

at which point did I say that america's use of propaganda made any use of propaganda ok?

like I said- you asked for an example and I gave you one
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Reply #85 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 11:30pm
 
Gaybriel wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 11:11pm:
Soren wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 11:07pm:
I thought this thread was about the israeli bombings now. Why are you dodging it all of a sudden?



I'm not-I've just said it all before and don't feel like repeating myself. read my other posts



I had a look. I could see no reference in your posts to hamas rockets and the causes of the current israeli bombings.

You are dodging because you cannot justify why it is OK for hamas to fire rockets when gaza is NOT occupied by israel. So you state that you had said it all before when in fact you have not. Isn't that a form of propaganda? It is.


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Reply #86 - Jan 6th, 2009 at 11:47pm
 
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whilst your ability to cut and paste is nothing short of impressive - you asked for examples of propaganda by america and I gave them


No I didnt. I said to easel, but it may as well apply to you too - post examples of American propaganda too, I dont mind. But nobody has posted any staged photos.

You weren't posting examples, you were doing a 'tu quoque'. Which is a fave Islamic tactic.
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Reply #87 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 2:28pm
 
Calanen wrote on Jan 6th, 2009 at 11:47pm:
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whilst your ability to cut and paste is nothing short of impressive - you asked for examples of propaganda by america and I gave them


No I didnt. I said to easel, but it may as well apply to you too - post examples of American propaganda too, I dont mind. But nobody has posted any staged photos.

You weren't posting examples, you were doing a 'tu quoque'. Which is a fave Islamic tactic.


no I was answering a question you put out there. yes it was to easel but I was giving my opinion. my opinion is that america also puts out propaganda and that some of that propaganda is produced in hollywood movies such as body of lies

so now you want staged photos? not just examples of propaganda? the criteria keeps narrowing. how convenient

again- where did I say this justifies pallowood as you call it.

wow- I'm using 'islamic tactics' am I. amazing- I must have taken a course somewhere
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Reply #88 - Jan 7th, 2009 at 2:31pm
 
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