I fail to see why the UN are making any noises about Israel trying to have peace.

palenstinians freely elected hamas. Who promised to rid the world of Israel, hamas have always desired death.
hamas have sent thousands of rockets over into israel.

Go get 'em Israel. This is the only way to deal with islamics.
They dont reason or negotiate. They desire death or oppressive islam over all.
They should be thanking Israel for marytering them all.

To be fair to the loony left, and the Islamic extremists, they say Israel does have two options to behave decently.
a; Leave
or
b; Put up with being attacked, continually.

When you think about the weird alliance between the loony left, and Islam, it is a bizarre relationship, between one group which, ostensibly, champions all personal freedoms, and another which advocates the total subjugation of self, in favour of placing all responsibility into the hands of theocratic despots.
Very peculiar bedfellows, with one binding belief, that everything from the west, is evil.

The only balanced thing about them is that they have a chip on both shoulders.

mozzaok,

There's leftist groups in Israel who also support the Palestinians, and have been for many years. They are not in any alliance with Hamas or other Islamists, they just see that the occupation and the militant actions of the IDF are wrong.

This attempt to frame it as looney leftists and Islamists against all the other sane rational people of the world (you know, us Zionists and Westerners) is a very inaccurate dichotomy.

I can see you know little more about the conflict than your wife does.

Sderot: Those who can afford it have already left

Mayor of rocket-battered town estimates 3,000 of residents –10% to 15% - have deserted city, many others remain only 'on paper'. Aid organizations present higher figures – up to 25% of population

Shmulik Hadad Published:  03.19.08, 09:27 / Israel News 

One issue Sderot's mayor doesn’t like to talk about is the number of residents who have left the rocket-battered southern town. Only talking about it, Eli Moyal believes, causes many people to leave.

In difference speeches and conventions he reiterates that the residents are strong and are not abandoning the city, but are only "stepping out to relax."

Helping Out

Gaydamak brings portable shelters to Sderot  / Elad Rubinstein 

Billionaire arrives in rocket-battered town with trucks carrying five new portable bomb shelters to be placed in various locations across Sderot. 'If there's demand for more structures, we shall consider it positively,' Gaydamak pledges 

In an honest talk, however, he is forced to admit that 10% to 15% of the city's residents – about 3,000 people – no longer live in Sderot, according to his estimates. Aid organizations present higher figures – up to 25% of the population.

It's not easy to obtain accurate data on the number of people who have left the city. Municipality officials explain that a significant number of those who leave don’t officially change their address, for tax considerations and in order to continue receiving benefits.

In one of the recent waves of escalation, Moyal told visiting Defense Minister Ehud Barak that every such wave caused dozens of additional families to run off away from the Qassam range.

The almost accurate rocket fire and the heavy damage caused by the Qassams have managed to crack a part of this sorrowful city's public strength. The economic distress has only worsened the problem.

"We must admit that those who can afford it financially have left the city. Most of the population left behind is the weaker population," says Sasson Sara, chairman of the local parents' committee, who owns a grocery store in the city.

"Everything I say in regards to this issue is only an estimate, and all those presenting figures are not being accurate," says Moyal, who is waiting for the Central Bureau of Statistics' 2009 report in order to get the real picture. "That would be the most reliable datum."

"The big bang," as far as he is concerned began with the escalation in May 2007. "I saw it as mayor, but also as a resident. You suddenly see your neighbors leaving, friends leaving. There is a kind of movement."

Hundreds of 'For Sale' signs

One way to examine the trend is through the number of schoolchildren. According to the head of the city's education department, backed by Mayor Moyal, a drop of 9.8% was noted in the number of students at the beginning of the school year.

Municipality officials have said in the past that these were only students who moved to secure schools, but now they admit that these children's parents have apparently left the city.

"It's not easy, but this is what we have to deal with," says Moyal.

Those who take to the city's streets cannot ignore the hundreds of "For Sale" signs. About a month ago, members of the Yedid association appealed to the Knesset to discuss the residents' inability to meet their mortgage payments, as many have rented an apartment outside the city while continuing to pay the mortgage on their Sderot house.

Residents hide as rocket hits city (Photo: AP)

Yedid Associate Director Ran Melamed is considering filing a petition with the High Court of Justice against the supervisor of the banks.

"One must understand that people are leaving Sderot and living in distant places. About 25% are in problematic situations.

"Only this morning I received a phone call from a woman who moved to Ein Tzurim and wants to return to Sderot, but won't do it at the moment because she is worried about her children. In any case, she cannot meet the mortgage payments anymore and cannot pay double."

Melamed blames the government for the situation. "They don’t want to be seen as abandoning Sderot and sending the residents outside. This is a political answer, and the result is clear. Those who can afford to stay outside Sderot do it. Those who remain 'screwed' are those who have always been screwed."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3520956,00.html

abu - you have not answered my question ?
Is that because you cannot delete or ban me here ??
many people would call that cowardly




"ISRAEL has taken the fateful step of a ground offensive in the Gaza Strip because ultimately the threat it faces from Hamas is strategic, even existential.

Hamas has fired more than 6000 mostly Qassam rockets into Israel over the past four years.

They have killed only about two dozen people, although in other acts of terrorism Hamas has killed hundreds of Israelis.

But Israel must stop, or greatly reduce, the rockets from Gaza. It is an absolute strategic necessity.

Perhaps the stupidest line of analysis to emerge in recent days has been to compare the deaths from Hamas rockets in Israel to traffic fatalities and say that Israel should relax.

To grasp the nature of the strategic threat Hamas poses, it is necessary to place it in the context of its ally, Hezbollah, in southern Lebanon, and their common backer and puppet master, Iran.

During Israel's 2006 war with Hezbollah, rockets continued to rain down on Israel as far as the big industrial city of Haifa. There was an acute fear within Israel, although not much spoken of, that Hezbollah rockets would hit a massive oil refinery in Haifa. The flow-on effects from this could be catastrophic. During that war, much of northern Israel was effectively paralysed, and certainly closed for normal business.

Despite the mistakes Israel made in that war, it got some things right. At the start of the conflict, it knocked out Hezbollah's longest-range missiles that could reach Israel's biggest city, Tel Aviv.

And since then, the missiles have not come back from the north. ...."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24877778-5013460,00.html

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc5_1204936313

Yes, they certainly appear to have no qualms about lying to incite as much hatred as possible.

The link above investigates the incident which sparked the 2006 summer war, a family picnic, bombed by Israeli devils?

To Palestinians, and the western media, that was the truth of the matter, but truth was obviously an early casualty in this conflict.

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That was the beach right? I remember the photos. Slight scorch marks on the earth, clearly not a 155mm tank shell, there would have been a huge crater.

More likely was a HAMAS mine put on the beach to kill Israeli commandos that scored an own goal. But why not use it to propaganda advantage? The Western media laps that stuff up.

As for Pallywood, on it goes:

Man in Brown jacket being carried into hospital after being hit with ebil jew missile, by a comrade Palestinian, bravely carrying him because he is injured:



As testimony to the miraculous work of Hamas doctors and the miracles of Allah, brown jacket man is now fully recovered to weep in another staged photo opportunity:



Or how about let's play 'Pass the injured baby' around the Hamas stooges in the hospital. Al Ja Reuters is separately identifying both of these men as the 'father' of the infant, the same infant, appearing in both pictures.






Hooray for Pallywood!

easel wrote on Jan 6^th, 2009 at 6:14pm:


Current, released today or yesterday.

http://www.daylife.com/photo/0eToeOx9YrgMg/A_Palestinian_father_carries_his_woun...

http://www.daylife.com/photo/07HqgalbyofnJ/A_Palestinian_carries_a_child_into_th...

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Post their propaganda too if you like, I don't mind.

I'm just posting Pallywood. Pallywood loves to stage a scene though, in ways that I've not seen the US or Israel do.