you are one eyed abu.

read how many missiles hamas have sent over to israel this year
how hamas refuse to recognise israel.


israel is not dealing with normal people.
they are dealing with islamics

Soren,

Just something that relates to your cartoon:

Death toll rises as Israel continues Gaza assault

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By Dion Nissenbaum and Ahmed Abu Hamda, McClatchy Newspapers Dion Nissenbaum And Ahmed Abu Hamda, Mcclatchy Newspapers –

Mon Dec 29, 6:08 pm ETJ ERUSALEM — The Israeli military extended its air campaign in the Gaza Strip on Monday, and the nation's defense minister warned that the country is in "an all-out war" with its Hamas adversaries, who control the Palestinian territory.

The three-day death toll in Gaza climbed to 345 with more than 1,400 injured, and Gaza doctors said they were running out of blood, bandages and other supplies.

Israel's air strikes failed, however, to prevent the deadliest day of Gaza rocket and mortar fire to hit the country.

Gaza militants fired dozens of crude rockets and killed three Israelis in three separate attacks. Israeli officials said that a relatively sophisticated rocket killed one Israeli in Ashdod, Israel's southern port city about 20 miles north of the Gaza border. A mortar strike near the Gaza border killed a second Israeli, and a rocket fired at the coastal city of Ashkelon killed an Arab-Israeli construction worker.

It was the highest death toll from Gaza rockets and mortars in a single day. Until Monday, Palestinian rocket fire had killed eight Israelis in the past two years. Since Israel launched the air strikes on Saturday, four Israelis have been killed in attacks from Gaza .

As Israeli tanks, artillery batteries and troops stepped up preparations for a possible ground offensive, Defense Minister Ehud Barak announced that the attacks wouldn't end until the military had delivered a "severe blow" to Hamas .

"We are in an all-out war against Hamas ," Barak told a special session of the Knesset, the Israeli parliament.

In three days of air strikes, Israel has hit scores of Gaza targets and created a climate of fear among the 1.5 million Palestinians who live in the densely populated Mediterranean coastal strip.

Gaza families were sleeping in stairwells and corridors in hopes of avoiding the Israeli air strikes, which have targeted Gaza City's largest university, as well as mosques that Israel claimed were being used to store weapons, build rockets or hide militants. Israel announced Monday that it would also attack private residences if they're used to house militants.

"The IDF will continue to act against anyone who harbors terror in their residence, provides shelter to terrorists and their activities, and forces their children and spouses to act as human shields," the Israeli military said in a statement.

In messages that have left many Palestinians rattled, Israel has been placing calls to Gaza residents to personally warn them that their homes, or adjacent buildings, were targets.

Among those trapped in their homes was Wafa Kannan , a 27-year-old Gaza City resident who's been camping out in a narrow apartment corridor with her mother and two brothers since the strikes began on Saturday.

Over the weekend, Kannan's mother received a recorded call on her cell phone from the Israeli military. When she heard who was calling, she hung up. Minutes later, the same call came to the landline in her apartment warning her to leave if she was storing weapons.

In an apartment building across the street from Kannan and her family live four brothers who are Hamas militants. Israeli intelligence called the Hamas members to warn them that they were targets, Kannan said.

Leaders at the local mosque urged neighbors to converge on the apartment building and act as human shields, she added. No one heeded the call, however, so the Hamas militants fled.

While many families have fled the neighborhood, Kannan said that she and her family don't think there's anywhere to hide from the Israeli strikes.

"You are not safe anywhere in Gaza ," Kannan said in a telephone interview from Gaza . "If it's dangerous in our house, it's dangerous in other houses too."

The Israeli military said that it was trying to minimize civilian casualties and noted that Hamas itself has acknowledged that most of those killed were members of its security forces.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20081229/wl_mcclatchy/3133187

Rehashing the historical claims of who has the greater right to be there is futile Abu.

There are two salient issues.

Does Israel have the right to exist?

Will Islamists ever accept Israel as a neighbour that they will leave in peace to pursue their own beliefs?

Unfortunately, we have most impartial observers as saying NO, to both questions.
That leaves Israel with the only choice, security through military power.
We see this tiny pocket of Jews, surrounded by overwhelming numbers of Arab, and Islamic populations, who profess an open hostility toward them.

So what choice do they have but to retaliate to the undeclared war against them, with a display of force designed to instil peace, through respect for their military superiority.
I do not think it is too unlikely to see the green completely obliterated from the map above, within a generation, but once that is achieved, I would expect Israel to content itself with protecting it's borders, and not to go on any imperialist ground taking exercise.

So we will likely see a whole new generation of palestinians be displaced, but after that, if they can get it through their heads, that they will always be on a hiding by pursuing violent aggression.
They had their war, they lost, if they keep fighting, they will keep losing.
How many palestinians need to die, is ultimately a question that the mullahs will have to answer for.
As long as they groom each generation to be martyrs, they will not receive much compassion from other nations, if indeed they pointlessly die the martyrs death, in pursuit of an unrealistic, and unattainable goal.

So next time you seek to apportion blame for the deaths of palestinians, do not forget to include the religious scholars who promote the continuance of an unwinnable war, on the basis of the idiotic belief that god wants them to die that way.

Soren, look at the ETA.

I was more responding to

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And trying to keep religion out of it.

Ah Mozz... those maps buddy what propaganda site did they come from?


Personally I think Gaza should be given to Israel...  and the west bank to the people now calling themselves Palestinians.  That solves the ridiculous geography of the situation.  All jewish settlements on the Westbank should be considered Palestinian territory.  Jerusalem should be treated as International territory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hamas_suicide_attacks

just to name a few

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qassam_rocket_attacks

etc, etc, etc....

Filed under: Arab-Israeli Conflict, Cognitive Egocentrism, Demopaths and Dupes, Media, Pallywood — Richard Landes @ 1:26 pm — Print This Post

Whether by Israeli accident or Hamas engineering, expect a spectacular civilian massacre in the coming days, followed by an orgy of Pallywood photography, amplified by a compliant Western media, and even greater fury in the streets of the Muslim and Western world. It’s in the Hamas playbook… and will be until the media gets sober. Here’s the background, and the obscenity that will probably be played.

Barry Rubin has laid out the various endgames open to Hamas, and how, when all else fails, it’s the media reserves you draw on to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat. And it’s an old story: Arafat called the Western media, busy drinking at the Commodore Hotel in Beirut under the protection of his mafiosi while his “guerillas” participated in a civil war (1975-82) that killed 100,000 civilians, his best division.

The pattern has long been clear, and most recently carried out with explosive effectiveness in the Lebanon war of 2006… when Israel is winning, get yourself a civilian massacre. Make sure that you have shocking civilian casualties that rally all the key players to your side — the other Arab nations and groups and individuals who are secretly, quietly rooting for your defeat, but who, once the images of dead children appear on the TV screens, watch the Arab street riot, and eventually can’t avoid siding with you, the “victim”… the European leaders and diplomats who piously kept an even-handed approach in the hopes that Israel might swiftly decapitate the snake… and the journalists and talking heads who have been chomping at the bit to jump on Israel for their disproportionate response.

At that point, as in the weeks after Kfar Qana, the Israelis have lost the media war: the pressure to withdraw grows daily; the damage to Israel — and to any Jew who dares defend her — becomes unbearable. For the terrorist organization that targets both its enemy’s and its own civilians, just sit back and watch all your pieces fall into place.

But what if the Israelis don’t make a mistake and kill a significant number of people in one blow, like Gaza Beach or Kfar Qana? Would Hamas actually concoct a massacre of their own people?

To even suggest it is disgusting, even racist. How could anyone imagine that a leadership would deliberately kill their own people in order to win a war? Alas, that’s liberal cognitive egocefntrism. On the contrary, pre-modern elites do not hesitate to use violence against the unarmed populace in order to secure their authority. Machiavelli openly laid out the strategy, what Sheldon Wolin called “the economy of violence.” When the population is restive, as Napoleon put it so eloquently, give them a “whiff of grapeshot” and they’ll calm right down.

And of course, in Arab political culture, this approach is not just the norm, it’s taken to pathological extremes… what Thomas Friedman called Hama rules. In 1982, Hafez al Asad, troubled by the increasing power of the Muslim Brotherhood, surrounded the town of Hama where they were strongest (population 20,000) with tanks, and for one week leveled the town with artilery fire, not letting anyone escape. At least half the town died in the process. And Syria has had no trouble from the Muslim Brotherhood ever since.

In the case of Hamas in the early 21st century, the logic is equally ruthless, but far more hypocritical. They are, of course, capable of playing the economy of violence card, and the world saw if clearly (if only briefly due to the ADD of the newsmedia), back in 2006, when they took over Gaza in a bloodbath that saw 160 people killed, some children and old ladies shot execution style to make the point that no one messes with the new bosses.

The tragic results were amply documented by a courageous Palestinian Human Rights organization, the PCHR:

The first section details the developments in the Palestinian National Authority that followed the Palestinian parliamentary elections of January 2006, including acts of violence between the supporters of Fatah movements and those of Hamas in the Gaza Strip, which developed into several rounds of fighting between the two movements from April 2006 to June 2007. The second section highlights the latest round of fighting; how it began, how it developed and its end with Hamas’ takeover of the Gaza Strip. The third section details violations of human rights and international humanitarian law perpetrated or allegedly perpetrated by the parties of the conflict, including extra-judicial and willful killings, abduction and torture; using houses and apartment buildings in the fighting; attacks on civilian property; attacks on hospitals and medical and civil defense crews; endangering the lives of civilians in the streets and houses; attacks on peaceful demonstrations; and seizure, robbery and destruction of public, private and non-governmental institutions.
The whole point of such exercises in the “economy of violence” is to let the population know that you are ruthless, that resistance is worse than useless, it is a ticket to oblivion.

But Hamas is now playing a different game now, one that plays out in the media theater of war where you can’t openly attack your own people. On the contrary, in order to play the victim, you need someone to victimize you.