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Re: Islamic expansionism
Reply #15 - Jan 3^rd, 2009 at 5:34pm

freediver wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2009 at 5:17pm:

Yes I know that three out of four is 75%. But that 75% is still a made up number, because the 3 out of 4 is a made up number. You can't make up a statistic like three in four, then convert it to 75%, then say the 75% figure isn't made up because it was based on the other number. It just doesn't make any sense. The statistic is not a measurement of anything. It was made up. If you dont believe me, try figuring out how they came up with it. You seem to be under the illusion that because the BBC printed it, it must be true, even though they admitted it was made up.

Of course, this has lettle to do with Mark Steyn's even more absurd claim.

If you want to be taken seriously, you have to let go of the absurd claims.

So, the statistical national average is 55%. Because of the area in Pakistan they come from, Bradford has a higher proportion of cousin marriage. How much higher?

The local MP, talking to her constituents, including Bradford Hospital annd Bradford University where reasearch into birth defects started the whole outcry in 2005, estimates it to be 3 out of 4. Nobody has disputed her estimate, nor the national statistics. The BBC was coolith it (they did not 'make it up'). Muslims themselves put the cousin marriage raate in Bradford at 85 %.
http://muslimmarriages.wordpress.com/2007/06/11/thoughts-on-cousin-marriage/

What number would you be happy with, between 55% and 85%? Two out of three? Six out of nine?

We'll go with your number rather than the locals'.

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Re: Islamic expansionism
Reply #16 - Jan 3^rd, 2009 at 5:39pm

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Nobody has disputed her estimate

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The BBC was coolith it (they did not 'make it up').

Not sure what you are trying to say here. I said the number was made up. I didn't say the BBC made it up. Of course someone else made it up. Then it went through any number of embellishments before it reached the local MP, who filtered it through whatever her political agenda is. Then the BBC quoted it. Then Mark Steyn mangled it into something totally different. Then you quoted Mark Steyn, apparently without realising how absurd his claim is. If you suspend scepticism whenever convenient to you, it turns into Chinese whispers, and the outcome is just as absurd. The long, tenuous and in places broken chain back to reality does not somehow justify your Chinese whispers.

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What number would you be happy with, between 55% and 85%? Two out of three? Six out of nine?

A number that wasn't made up would do fine, thanks. The problem with estimates is that they need no real justification at all. You just make them up. I'm not going to feed into that rubbish. Though it is generous of you to concede that my guess is as good as anybody else's.

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Reply #17 - Jan 3^rd, 2009 at 6:20pm

freediver wrote on Jan 3^rd, 2009 at 5:39pm:

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Nobody has disputed her estimate

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The BBC was coolith it (they did not 'make it up').

Not sure what you are trying to say here. I said the number was made up. I didn't say the BBC made it up. Of course someone else made it up. Then it went through any number of embellishments before it reached the local MP, who filtered it through whatever her political agenda is. Then the BBC quoted it. Then Mark Steyn mangled it into something totally different. Then you quoted Mark Steyn, apparently without realising how absurd his claim is. If you suspend scepticism whenever convenient to you, it turns into Chinese whispers, and the outcome is just as absurd. The long, tenuous and in places broken chain back to reality does not somehow justify your Chinese whispers.

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What number would you be happy with, between 55% and 85%? Two out of three? Six out of nine?

A number that wasn't made up would do fine, thanks. The problem with estimates is that they need no real justification at all. You just make them up. I'm not going to feed into that rubbish. Though it is generous of you to concede that my guess is as good as anybody else's.

That you, Abu?

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Ant New Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6	Re: Islamic expansionism Reply #18 - Jan 4^th, 2009 at 12:11pm I've never understood the fact that in most religions they are spreading the message of 'peace' in their holy books...and yet, every religion has done it - MY RELIGION OR ELSE!
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Calanen Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2241	Re: Islamic expansionism Reply #19 - Jan 4^th, 2009 at 4:06pm Quote: and yet, every religion has done it - MY RELIGION OR ELSE! But only one religion does it with bombs, fanaticism and Holy War more than anyone else.
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DILLIGAF Gold Member Offline Posts: 1259 The greens are red Gender:	Re: Islamic expansionism Reply #20 - Jan 4^th, 2009 at 8:41pm Calanen wrote on Jan 4^th, 2009 at 4:06pm: Quote: and yet, every religion has done it - MY RELIGION OR ELSE! But only one religion does it with bombs, fanaticism and Holy War more than anyone else. No, two. You forgot Islam.
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