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The fact that one can point to someone else doing anything, does not mean that there is not a very big problem within this sector of the community. It is pointless to say, 'there is someone else' and it is fallacious reasoning. Was the fact that we were at war with the Empire of Japan, mean we were not at war with the Third Reich? That is what you are saying. Because there is something else, the problem I have referred to is not a problem.

But it is a problem - and no one - not even you can explain why this is a huge problem throughout the Western world, with islamic immigrants being over represented in crimes of gang rape against infidels. I have offered some theories about why, which have not been rebutted, the best that can be done is to say that there are people from other societies committing these crimes as well. So what. No one is as over represented on a per capita basis as the islamic immigrants, and why is that? You tell me. You've heard my view.

And ignoring the problem is not going to make it go away. Calling people bigots or racists for noticing the problem is not going to make it go away either. It happened, and the people who perpetrated it made it an issue based on race as the motivation for it. The MSK defendants said, they did it because of Islam and this was a racist attack on muslims for them to be charged.

A cold war is still very much a real war - and we are at war. The jihad against the West is fought on all fronts, and this is just one front against us.

You didnt respond to anything that I quoted from Fjordman, just put up some rubbish about how there were other people involved in gang rape. I know that, you can take that as read. Because you can find one albino crow, does not prove that crows are not black.

Calanen wrote on Dec 18^th, 2008 at 1:03pm:


I've said why I posted this- which is to dispel the myth that gang rapes and purely a muslim thing. a lot of people think if muslims weren't here there would be no gang rapes. I think that's preposterous

as to the over-representation of muslims in rape cases. can you provide me with evidence of this apart from your word?

no I haven't looked at what you quoted from fjordman- maybe there's evidence there

I'll take a look now

ok I have read that stuff before and no it isn't evidence

first of all a tenuous link is given between immigration and increased reports of rape. I tend to agree with the woman quoted that a lot of his is probably due to the fact that rape is taken a lot more seriously nowadays and women feel more comfortable reporting it.

then there is the discussion of crime in immigrant communities- however this focuses upon issues of unemployment and those in poor living conditions. it is a widely known fact that those in low-socio economic communities (with which comes poor education etc) are more prone to crime. so this is more of a social issue than a religious one

Gaybriel wrote on Dec 18^th, 2008 at 1:18pm:



give us the definite proof then till then it looks like your claim that rapists were anglo and non muslims are false and anybody may read the articles that you quoted and say "look at this muslim rapists, why can't they behave", which is contrary to the effect you wanted to create with this thread.

Gaybriel wrote on Dec 18^th, 2008 at 1:41pm:



Pure logic by itself does not proof a thing as acronim GIGO suggests. So this far the rapists you referred to may be muslim non anglo.

Calanen wrote on Dec 19^th, 2008 at 4:19am:


That cant account for the differential in who is committing the rapes.

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that's not what I said- you might want to read it again

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well I guess we'll just have to take your word for it Calanen seeing as you can provide no actual proof

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I agree that misguided religious ideals can contribute to rape. however- this can be applied to other religions as well, it is not exclusively muslim territory. rape used to be used by catholics as a way of teaching local girls a lesson if they were seen to stray from the path of their religion (I'm referring to ireland here), rape was also a part of exorcist rituals. Not to mention the christian ideals that informed the treatments for 'sexual insanity' in women in the victorian era.

however if you ask me- a rapist is a rapist and they will use any excuse or influence to commit rape. as far as I'm concerned the muslims in those cases would have committed gang rape even if they weren't muslim. They may have used their religion to justify what they did in their eyes, but anyone who enjoys the degradation and humiliation of another human being, anyone who has such a basic lack of respect for someone else- will not even need an excuse- because they just enjoy what they were doing.

I"m not saying their background didn't have an effect on what they did- I'm saying it doesn't matter because even if they came from a different background they would have done the same thing. either you're capable of rape or you're not. and the extreme nature of their crimes suggest that they weren't just doing it reluctantly as some kind of 'jihad' mission- they were going out of their way to do something that fulfilled some kind of perverted pathological need in their sick little minds.

the belief you mentioned about uncovered women being 'fair game' - is not a common one in the muslim community in my experience. (I have heard similar statements, but note I have also heard these statements from non-muslims also) and certainly, is not enough to propel someone towards being a rapist. can you honestly imagine some regular bloke hearing this, believing it and then deciding that he's just going to start committing rapes en masse? it doesnt make sense. there's got to be something fundamentally wrong with that person that supercedes their religion, ethnicity etc

tallowood wrote on Dec 19^th, 2008 at 12:22pm:


I think what sheikh hilaly said was wrong yes and the fact he's in a position of authority makes it worse

ignoring the brainwashed thing

Gaybriel wrote on Dec 18^th, 2008 at 1:09pm:


Gaybrial did someone actually make that claim? As a generalisation I have associated it with loutish gangs regardless of ethnic background or make up.

The comments about uncovered meat and the niehbours cat however are not just repulsive but I would argue bordering criminal and the possibility of prosecution should be invetsigated. This is a person of authority that while not giving instruction to committ these crimes is saying that there is no moral taint to committing these crimes, a suttle difference that thug gang members are not likely to be able to tell the difference.