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Dec 16^th, 2008 at 8:37am

You have to wonder about the aboriginal people. They used to have a lot of power just by thought projection, but does it still work today? They could point the bone at someone and they would die within 24 hours. They could tell the future just through their dreams, but can they predict that a white woman who violates their laws in such a harmless way will become barren? Sometimes belief and the power of suggestion is more effective than the facts as we see them.

BAZ LUHRMANN'S epic Australia and its star Nicole Kidman have angered Aboriginal groups after the actress tried to play a didgeridoo on a German television show at the weekend.

The light-hearted stunt flouted Aboriginal custom in many parts of Australia, where women are forbidden to play the instrument.

It followed an earlier Australia faux pas when a tourism ad associated with the film promoted a sacred site without Aboriginal permission.

Kidman blew feebly into a didgeridoo during a promotional appearance on Wetten, Dass …?, a high-rating German program known for its high jinks.

Allen Madden, cultural and educational officer at Sydney's Metropolitan Local Aboriginal Land Council, said Kidman ought to know better. "I presume she doesn't know, otherwise she wouldn't be playing it. But [I would have thought] the women on that set would have told her. Baz should know something about it, after working with those traditional fellas on the film."

Richard Green, an award-winning actor, screenwriter and Dharug language teacher, said he was disgusted.

"People are going to see Nicole playing it and think it's all right. It bastardises our culture. I will guarantee she has no more children. It's not meant to be played by women as it will make them barren."

The didgeridoo, or yirdaki, is said by some to make women infertile, and Mr Green said he feared other women would imitate Kidman without realising its dangers.

It was the fear of imitation that also riled West Australian elders last month when they saw an advertisement that featured the actress Sybilla Budd swimming atop King George Falls in the Kimberley - a sacred site for the Balanggarra people and accessible only through Aboriginal land with the permission of traditional owners.

Kwini elder Ambrose Mungala Chalarimeri accused Tourism Australia of "telling the rest of the world that it is OK to trample all over our culture".

In September, the publisher HarperCollins apologised for a section on how to play the didgeridoo in The Daring Book For Girls and removed it from future editions after complaints from indigenous academics.

Not all indigenous communities consider the didgeridoo a danger, but many do. Although native to northern Australia, the ethnomusicologist Linda Barwick has written that the strictest restrictions on women playing and touching the didgeridoo "appears to be [in] the south-east of Australia, where … the didgeridoo has only been recently introduced".

http://www.smh.com.au/news/entertainment/people/youve-blown-it-kidman-upsets-abo...

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Reply #1 - Dec 16^th, 2008 at 11:23am

Kidman is not part of the Aboriginal culture, she was not playing at an Aboriginal function or ceremony, she was representing herself as an expert. These tenents or rules only apply to those individuals within or accepting of that culture. They need to pull their heads in. (This is not to come to the defence of Nicole Kidman who I dislike considerably)

I remember many years ago that there was a push to patent the style of Aboriginal art which I thought and still think was too ridiculous to be entertained by all but the bleeding hearts. By all means restrict the label traditional and authentic to those of Aboriginal origin but don't try to copyright a style. What next. The Dutch copyrighting Van Gogh's style, the French doing the same with Monet etc .

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Reply #2 - Dec 16^th, 2008 at 12:03pm

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a push to patent the style of Aboriginal art

lol

Kindergartens all around the world could face legal action for doing 'handprints'.

Fair dinkum, these jerks do themselves, and their community a huge disservice when they come out with such silly, petty rubbish, and claiming she will become barren, is downright offensive.

I don't understand the need, displayed by some, to promote aboriginal culture with absurd claims, it is hard to take them seriously, when they come out with rubbish like this.

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ex-member DonaldTrump Gold Member Offline Oh mere mortals, open your eyes! Posts: 1995 Overseas Gender:	Re: Fact or fiction Reply #3 - Dec 16^th, 2008 at 3:29pm So women worldwide or now banned from making farting sounds inside logs?
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locutius Gold Member Offline You can't fight in here! It's the War Room Posts: 1817 Queensland Gender:	Re: Fact or fiction Reply #4 - Dec 16^th, 2008 at 3:48pm ex-member DonaldTrump wrote on Dec 16^th, 2008 at 3:29pm: So women worldwide or now banned from making farting sounds inside logs? OK, That gave me a chuckle
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easel Gold Member Offline Posts: 3120	Re: Fact or fiction Reply #5 - Dec 16^th, 2008 at 3:53pm What about logs worldwide are now banned from making farting sounds inside women? Too far? That wasn't a poo joke...
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locutius Gold Member Offline You can't fight in here! It's the War Room Posts: 1817 Queensland Gender:	Re: Fact or fiction Reply #6 - Dec 16^th, 2008 at 5:00pm easel wrote on Dec 16^th, 2008 at 3:53pm: What about logs worldwide are now banned from making farting sounds inside women? Too far? That wasn't a poo joke... Easel, that is discusting but a very good pick up
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Reply #7 - Dec 16^th, 2008 at 10:25pm

Farting used to be an art

Le Pétomane French professional farter and entertainer Joseph Pujol (June 1, 1857 - 1945). He was famous for his remarkable control of the abdominal muscles, which enabled him to fart at will.

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Highlights of his stage act involved playing a flute through a rubber tube in his anus – the act included an instrumental version of Au Claire de la Lune – and sound effects of cannon fire and thunderstorms. The grand finale climax of his act was sometimes his impression of the 1906 San Francisco earthquake ...

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With the outbreak of World War I, Pujol, horrified by the inhumanity of the conflict, retired from the stage and returned to his bakery in Marseille. Later he opened a biscuit factory in Toulon. He died in 1945,[4] aged 88, and was buried in the cemetery of La Valette-du-Var, where his grave can still be seen today. The Sorbonne offered his family a large sum of money to study his body after his death, but they refused the offer.

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Reply #8 - Dec 17^th, 2008 at 8:26pm

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Kidman is not part of the Aboriginal culture, she was not playing at an Aboriginal function or ceremony, she was representing herself as an expert. These tenents or rules only apply to those individuals within or accepting of that culture. They need to pull their heads in. (This is not to come to the defence of Nicole Kidman who I dislike considerably)

Its also what is called Bulls___t law. Most Aboriginals will tell you, this stuff about the Didgeridoo is rubbish. The same thing happened when some kids book was getting girls to do it for fun, everyone ringed their PC hands and did their best Chicken Little impersonation.

Lighten up people.

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Reply #9 - Dec 17^th, 2008 at 8:47pm

I have an old still standing upright hollow log near my house and since it started rain again some frog, whom I call Mr Frog's settled in it and he/she makes fantastic use out of natural acoustics. Better then most of SOH orchestra if you ask me. After I have burped couple dozens of times into the log the frog learned to respond with exact replica. When other people come and try to do the same Mr Frog ignores them.

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