come on yadda, hop into a few muslim chatrooms.

I bet you'll get banned within 2 days

ggwwwwaaaaaarrrrrnnnnnnnneeeeee

you KNOW you want to ............

http://www.islamonline.com/news/newsfull.php?newid=188384

http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/southasia/news/article_1445348.php/Organi...

http://www.zawya.com/Story.cfm/sidANA20081127T133239ZSHI46/Iran%20condemns%20%27...

http://mikeghouse.sulekha.com/blog/post/2006/07/muslims-condemn-the-mumbai-rail-...

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 29^th, 2008 at 11:52pm:




"WORLD MUSLIM CONGRESS CONDEMNS MUMBAI TRAIN BOMBINGS"

"Iran condemns 'evil' attacks in Mumbai"

"Organisation of Islamic Conference condemns Mumbai attacks"

"Muslims Condemn Mumbai Terror"





Gaybriel,

I welcome these announcements, being made on behalf of muslim communities.



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BUT, THE PROBLEM IS....

There is a lot of evidence, that when they are speaking candidly, among themselves, many muslim community leaders [those living in the West!], are actually heard promoting such acts, privately.]

Knowing that such attacks are generally [though secretly] condoned, and encouraged by many muslim community leaders, i do wonder, cynically, if such public pronouncements can be truly sincere?



Gaybriel,

I would be better convinced of muslim sincerity, if i were i to hear, from many Australian muslim community leaders, a broad condemnation of all violence directed against non-muslims.

And i would be better convinced if we were to hear these community leaders, repudiate many of the verses in the Koran and Hadith, which seem to encourage, and justify violent behaviour towards non-muslims, simply because the are non-muslims.




SUPPORTING NEWS REPORT FROM THE UK.....

Inside the sect that loves terror
August 07, 2005
A Sunday Times reporter spent two months as a recruit inside the Saviour Sect to reveal for the first time how the extremist group promotes hatred of 'non-believers' and encourages its followers to commit acts of violence including suicide bombings.
The reporter witnessed one of the sect’s leading figures, Sheikh Omar Brooks, telling a young audience, including children, that it was the duty of Muslims to be terrorists and boasting, just days before the July 7 attacks, that he wanted to die as a suicide bomber.
.......Speaking to a group of teenagers and families, he declared it was imperative for Muslims to "instil terror into the hearts of the kuffar" and added: "I am a terrorist. As a Muslim of course I am a terrorist."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html


Cleric preaches that violence is part of Islam
01/05/2007
In documents seen by The Daily Telegraph, al-Muhajiroun claimed: "Terrorism is a part of Islam" and "Allah made it obligatory to prepare and to terrify the enemy of Allah".
The article advised: "The kuffar of USA and UK are without doubt our enemy.There is no such thing as an innocent kafir, innocence is only applicable for the Muslims. Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/05/01/nplot901.xml



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Support for such actions, from the Hadith.....

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies): spoils have been made lawful to me:"
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/004.smt.html#004.10...


"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...

Yadda wrote on Nov 30^th, 2008 at 2:25pm:


such things have been said, such announcements have been made.

but of course, even if you heard these you would merely say that behind closed doors it's a different story.

I seriously doubt you'd ever be satisfied

gaybriel - please explain this :



Religious head incited killers

"THE al-Qa'ida-linked Lashkar-e-Toiba terrorists suspected over the Mumbai massacre were trained in Muzaffarabad, capital of Pakistan-controlled Kashmir, and were incited by speeches from their leader in Lahore.

As the sole surviving terrorist was interrogated in Mumbai, security sources told The Australian that 10 terrorists were picked by LET for the suicide mission. ................

.........."Finally, in a sermon to a congregation at the Jamia Masjid al-Qudsia (mosque) in Lahore at the end of October, Saeed proclaimed that there was an 'ongoing war in the world between Islam and its enemies'.

"He claimed that 'crusaders of the East and West have united in a cohesive onslaught against Muslims'."


http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24731818-2703,00.html

perhaps you would like to point out to your muslim mates in MV this is yet another terrorist attack by muslim promoted by a religious leader who is well versed in the koran.

then see how quickly they delete you.

Gaybriel wrote on Dec 1^st, 2008 at 12:50am:



They are judged by their actions, like everyone else. And they are thought deceptive because their actions and words are at odds more often than not - they say one thing and do another.

And whoever says that it is not about Islam or is not propelled by is again indulging in deception. If it was just a bunch of Pakistanis being angry about India and Kashmir and the rest  - then why did they target the orthodox jewish centre in Bombay, torturing and killing them? Abslolutely nothing to do with the India/Pakistan conflict. But for the jihadis, jew-killing is on top of the kuffur-killing list  for winning the paradise jackpot. What kind of religion is that?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Dec 1^st, 2008 at 10:26am:


explain what? first of all- bring me the full speech.

secondly- if he's really saying what this article says he is, then what exactly do you expect me to explain?

You were not referring to the article but muslims in general. And so was I.

Really gaybriel...  well where do you pick it up from?  

Come on we all have seen the colour of your flag...  and either we are all badly mistaken or....

It has a dove on it.

Sensitively-like.




At any rate, the organisation of islamic countries should take this opportiunity and stop trying to gag free speech and start agitating for a worldwide resolution of oulawing killing in the name of religion.

Any chance of all those 'moderate' muslims and their sympathisers to really put theeir shoulder to the wheel and push for outlawing religious killing?

That would be much more practical than working towards outlawing free speech and criticism of barbarity when perpetuated in the name of islam.

Won't happen...  it would be un-Islamic.

Gaybriel wrote on Dec 1^st, 2008 at 12:53am:




Gaybriel,

Words [public pronouncements] are leaves, which blow away in the wind.

I want you to show me the 'house' dedicated to peace [with 'others', with non-muslims], which ISLAM has built.

What is wrong with wanting to see such a thing?

Gaybriel wrote on Dec 1^st, 2008 at 12:53am:






Gaybriel,

The Mumbai attacks?

Why do so many ppl, such as myself, feel that devout muslims are really, really, more concerned about how the war is going, and about the image of ISLAM?

But that devout muslims are not really concerned, or seriously working to eliminate such attacks by muslim 'impersonators'?



November 30, 2008
"Unfortunately, we have yet to see a distinguished popular condemnation in the traditional Arab or Muslim communities that strongly rejects what is happening in the name of Islam"
......in this story, "Muslims condemn Mumbai attacks, worry about image," by Karin Laub for The Associated Press, November 30, Muslim leaders and spokesmen worry a great deal about the possibility that these jihad attacks in Mumbai by a Tiny Minority of Extremists will lead people to think ill of Islam.
Of course, there is one thing they could do about that that would actually begin to make people think better of Islam, but no one even whispers anything about doing it in this article or anywhere else. And that would be to begin to saturate mosques and madrassas with the message that jihad warfare is never justified, that the imperative to subjugate unbelievers under the rule of Islamic law must be decisively rejected, and that peaceful coexistence as equals with unbelievers is to be maintained indefinitely. If Islamic clerics stopped talking about conquering Europe and America, and began to teach the opposite, things might begin to improve.....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023722.php



Why is it that muslims clerics, when speaking candidly, among themselves, are actually heard to justify such attacks?

Why is it that devout muslims continually promote the idea [widely] that muslims only turn to such violence because of provocation from non-Muslims, not because of any imperative arising from within the ISLAM itself?



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Thomas Mann
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Mann

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Yes it is an age of wisdom and an age of foolishness. We are massively in denial. Well most people are anyway.