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Is Atheism just another religion ? (Read 30200 times)
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Reply #195 - Dec 14th, 2008 at 1:29pm
 
I can't even see the little girl.  "Jesus" is the dominant character in the photo.  The man looks like he has a little dog cuddled up near his face.

It looks like it was the hand of man that created the image of Jesus.
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Reply #196 - Dec 14th, 2008 at 1:35pm
 
muso wrote on Dec 14th, 2008 at 6:36am:
easel wrote on Dec 13th, 2008 at 10:13pm:
Now I don't know what this was, but in my opinion, having experienced it, it was more than sheer coincidence.


Easel,

From what I've seen from your posts, you're not perfect - nobody is, but you're basically a good compassionate person. I don't want to try to take away from you or devalue what you believe in. Everybody believes in something. Even though I might sound like a robot sometimes, I have love and compassion. I'm human just like you and I love my wife my family and friends above everything else. I also love people of all colours and religions.

You have your religion. It's part of your personal 'paradigm'. You have integrated that into the way that you think and live. I would no more try to take that away from you than steal your wallet.

All I'm trying to say here is that we have no idea what experiences other people have.  


Everybody believes something. We have to. It comes with the baggage of being human. We're not digital computers. The best thing we can do is respect each other.

Go in peace.


The perfect person does not exist. The all knowing person does not exist. A belief/disbelief in God is faith, because it cannot be proven either way. I think agnostics take the sanest route when it comes to a belief in a God of some description.

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Do you know what delusion is? A false belief. It's how psychiatrists determine whether you are sane or not.


Ever had a consultant psychiatrist in tears saying you are perfect emotionally just occasionally imbalanced, maybe due to extreme stress or biology (not yet determined)? Ever had a clinical psychologist tell you that he doesn't need to see you because he can't find anything wrong?

All whilst maintaining a belief in God, after telling them highly disturbing aspects of your life story that if you told someone in the street they might think you needed to be locked up?

I have.
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Reply #197 - Dec 14th, 2008 at 1:46pm
 
I was going to reply, but I'll reply privately.
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Reply #198 - Dec 14th, 2008 at 3:13pm
 
Muso (ex member) wrote on Dec 13th, 2008 at 7:55pm:
How Dare you say that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Welcome to OzPolitic Jehovah. Would you like to elaborate?
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Reply #199 - Dec 14th, 2008 at 9:36pm
 
Jesus is such a media whore.

Sorry Jehovah, but spare the rod and spoil the child.
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Reply #200 - Dec 15th, 2008 at 9:07am
 
easel wrote on Dec 14th, 2008 at 1:35pm:
Ever had a consultant psychiatrist in tears saying you are perfect emotionally just occasionally imbalanced, maybe due to extreme stress or biology (not yet determined)? Ever had a clinical psychologist tell you that he doesn't need to see you because he can't find anything wrong?

All whilst maintaining a belief in God, after telling them highly disturbing aspects of your life story that if you told someone in the street they might think you needed to be locked up?

I have.

Are you trying to lead us to the conclusion that your pathology has a metaphysical origin? Are you saying that your physical symptoms are the manifestations of supernatural visitations?
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Reply #201 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 10:17pm
 
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A German bishop has told his Easter congregation that mass murder and other crimes committed by the Nazis are evidence that atheism is inhumane. His comments have caused outraged among German atheist organizations.


"Without God, everything is permitted."

With this famous quote from Russian writer Fyodor Dostoyevsky, the bishop of the southern Bavarian town of Augsburg wanted to warn his congregation of what he sees as the dangers of atheism.


Atheists killed more then 150 million people just last century.

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Reply #202 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 10:54pm
 
tallowood wrote on Apr 15th, 2009 at 10:17pm:
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A German bishop has told his Easter congregation that mass murder and other crimes committed by the Nazis are evidence that atheism is inhumane. His comments have caused outraged among German atheist organizations.


"Without God, everything is permitted."

With this famous quote from Russian writer Fyodor Dostoyevsky, the bishop of the southern Bavarian town of Augsburg wanted to warn his congregation of what he sees as the dangers of atheism.


Atheists killed more then 150 million people just last century.



So? Doesn't mean they had a religion.

The absence of belief is not a belief.
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Reply #203 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 10:58pm
 
Is it your contention that Hitler, whose actual religious status is not confirmed, or others, who were known, avowed atheists, like Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao, would not have committed genocidal atrocities, if they were not atheists?

Do you contend that their lack of belief in a deity motivated their megalomanic behaviour?

We have seen holy wars, where people have used their religious beliefs as justification for embarking on a course of violence and bloodshed, in the name of their deity of choice.

These events can be fairly laid down as having a significant religious motivation.

We also have seen leaders, who were religious men, create, or join conflicts, and have duly claimed having god on their side, but I do not think we could fairly claim that the motivation for their involvement is because of their religious beliefs.

Now the issue of whether the despots I mentioned above, were actually motivated to perpetrate their genocidal atrocities because of their atheism, is something I have often heard claimed, but never seen expounded upon.

Before I can accept that their Atheism was the driving force behind their murderous acts, I would like to hear some evidence to support the contention, otherwise I would just categorise them as like the second group, of theist leaders I mentioned above, whose religious status, did not form the primary motivation for their actions.
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Reply #204 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 10:58pm
 
Calanen wrote on Apr 15th, 2009 at 10:54pm:
tallowood wrote on Apr 15th, 2009 at 10:17pm:
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A German bishop has told his Easter congregation that mass murder and other crimes committed by the Nazis are evidence that atheism is inhumane. His comments have caused outraged among German atheist organizations.


"Without God, everything is permitted."

With this famous quote from Russian writer Fyodor Dostoyevsky, the bishop of the southern Bavarian town of Augsburg wanted to warn his congregation of what he sees as the dangers of atheism.


Atheists killed more then 150 million people just last century.



So? Doesn't mean they had a religion.

The absence of belief is not a belief.



But belief in non existence is a belief.

"Without God, everything is permitted."



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Reply #205 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 11:02pm
 
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But belief in non existence is a belief.
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I don't believe that. Wink
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Reply #206 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 11:02pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Apr 15th, 2009 at 10:58pm:
Is it your contention that Hitler, whose actual religious status is not confirmed, or others, who were known, avowed atheists, like Pol Pot, Stalin, and Mao, would not have committed genocidal atrocities, if they were not atheists?

Not only that... the Catholic Church in Germany chose to go along to get along... kept their heads down while the greatest atrocity known to man, Martin Luther's wet dream, played out at the steps of German Cathedrals.

And 'god' was silent.
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Reply #207 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 11:06pm
 
tallowood wrote on Apr 15th, 2009 at 10:58pm:
But belief in non existence is a belief.

"Without God, everything is permitted."


The burden of proof is on believers... non-believers need not pray for signs.

Buddhism is a non-theistic belief system... no god.
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Reply #208 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 11:06pm
 
mozzaok wrote on Apr 15th, 2009 at 11:02pm:
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But belief in non existence is a belief.
-Tallo

I don't believe that. Wink


QED  Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #209 - Apr 15th, 2009 at 11:08pm
 
tallowood wrote on Apr 15th, 2009 at 11:06pm:
mozzaok wrote on Apr 15th, 2009 at 11:02pm:
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But belief in non existence is a belief.
-Tallo

I don't believe that. Wink


QED  Grin Grin Grin Grin

Undertand the nuances of the verb 'to believe' grasshopper and the secret of the word game will be revealed unto you.
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