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Reply #165 - Nov 29th, 2008 at 8:24pm
 
There is only CO2 Soren...  and the man-made CO2 is the bad CO2.. Shocked
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Reply #166 - Nov 29th, 2008 at 8:46pm
 
It is indeed when you consider that an extra 7.1 Gigatonnes of the stuff enters the Earth's Carbon cycle every year. Back in the 70's approximately 50% of the annual CO2 emissions were taken up in the Ocean. Nowadays only 30% of the emission ends up in the ocean due to the reduction in ocean pH and to a lesser extent, the slight increase in ocean temperatures.


Volcanoes contribute only about 130 million tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere each year. Emissions of CO2 by human activities are currently more than 50 times greater than the quantity emitted by volcanoes.

Source: http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/index.php
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Reply #167 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 12:52am
 
Back in the early 90's, it was just a question of halving our carbon emissions to restore balance. Now in 2008, we need to reduce it to about 30% to get to the same point. Reducing emissions to 60% worldwide will just buy us time.

Eventually all fossil fuel burning will have to be replaced by clean alternatives.
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Reply #168 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 8:48am
 
muso wrote on Nov 30th, 2008 at 12:52am:
Back in the early 90's, it was just a question of halving our carbon emissions to restore balance. Now in 2008, we need to reduce it to about 30% to get to the same point. Reducing emissions to 60% worldwide will just buy us time.

Eventually all fossil fuel burning will have to be replaced by clean alternatives.


There isn't enough time to stop environment from changing. Humans breed much faster and therefore produce more emissions then is possible to cut. That's the graph you youself supplied
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besides the graph supplied by me and apparently earlier by you as well shows that ecological changes of this kind are quiet regular for the planet earth. Humans like other animals are only part of Nature not the rulers of it and every time they think they are clever they only staff up for the worse.

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The Novelty Theory says that the Time Wave amplitude is coming to Zero in approximately  4 years and 22 days. The fourth Time Reset is at (13.0.0.0.0). Now it is 12.19.15.15.16, which the Vostok-ice-core data of the above  graph independently confirms.

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Reply #169 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:08am
 
tallowood wrote on Nov 30th, 2008 at 8:48am:
[quote author=muso link=1227222079/165#167 date=1227970369]


besides the graph supplied by me and apparently earlier by you as well shows that ecological changes of this kind are quiet regular for the planet earth.



If you look at the graph I provided, it also shows the industrial period. Your graph obviously does not judging by the CO2 concentration.

It would pay you to revisit that graph which makes it abundantly clear that where we are today is outside the natural systems which account for the slow variations on that graph of yours. Stretch the scale out and it's more obvious that the natural changes are slow by comparison.
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Reply #170 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:17am
 
muso wrote on Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:08am:
tallowood wrote on Nov 30th, 2008 at 8:48am:
[quote author=muso link=1227222079/165#167 date=1227970369]


besides the graph supplied by me and apparently earlier by you as well shows that ecological changes of this kind are quiet regular for the planet earth.



If you look at the graph I provided, it also shows the industrial period. Your graph obviously does not judging by the CO2 concentration.

It would pay you to revisit that graph which makes it abundantly clear that where we are today is outside the natural systems which account for the slow variations on that graph of yours. Stretch the scale out and it's more obvious that the natural changes are slow by comparison.


Where about is it?
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Reply #171 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:21am
 
tallowood wrote on Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:17am:
Where about is it?


Here it is again.
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Reply #172 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:29am
 
Now your graph with the CO2 fixed to include today's data. I have left the temperature and dust trends unedited.
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Reply #173 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:38am
 
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23411799-7583,00.html
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Reply #174 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:40am
 
tallowood wrote on Nov 30th, 2008 at 8:48am:
Humans breed much faster and therefore produce more emissions then is possible to cut.



That's the heart of your logical fallacy. Some of us don't emit as much as others. In fact the section of the population that is growing is largely in the undeveloped world where emissions per capita are low.

Emissions per capita are high in Australia and the USA, but to quote the film Australia which we watched last night -

"That's how it is, but it doesn't have to be like that" 
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Reply #175 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:46am
 
More muso half-truths...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/02/a_tale_of_two_thermometers/

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Reply #176 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:47am
 
muso wrote on Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:21am:
tallowood wrote on Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:17am:
Where about is it?


Here it is again.


As you can see the frequency of curves did not change so as far as the Time Wave is concerned the fourth Time Reset is still on target.


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Reply #177 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:48am
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:38am:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23411799-7583,00.html


"She replied: "No, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998 as your point of reference. If you take 2002 as your point of reference, then temperatures have plateaued."

How many times do we have to flog this dead horse? Didn't you get my point about taking long term averages?

Then we have the extremely short term Aqua data and Dickie Lindzen's tired old discredited Iris effect. Oh dear.

I've also demonstrated previously that Jen has told quite a few furfies. Once a liar, always a liar.

Again, quoting Jen is scraping the barrel.
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Reply #178 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:56am
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:46am:
More muso half-truths...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/02/a_tale_of_two_thermometers/



LOL. Did you look at the original reference? (The Hadcrut link - spot the difference) Some naughty person has ever so slightly photoshopped an error bar to make it look like a downward trend. (whoops my finger slipped er accidentally)

Not subtle! Grin Grin  That's hilarious!

The two graphs (NASA and Hadley)are otherwise almost identical, except for the scales.

Both show a 0.7 deg C increasing trend.

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Reply #179 - Nov 30th, 2008 at 10:02am
 
tallowood wrote on Nov 30th, 2008 at 9:47am:
As you can see the frequency of curves did not change so as far as the Time Wave is concerned the fourth Time Reset is still on target.



(Translation: I don't understand.)

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