you post i reply...  that's how it works muso...

I don't care much about who writes things because I check the facts of what they write...  otherwise I'd be braindead like most of the Progressive Left and not read anything except that from the Comrades.

I have opinions and knowledge and I do my research...  I also post articles that back up my opinions and occassionally ones just for the heck of it whether they do or not... just to start the debate.

I thought you agreed that bad water management and usage as well as drought (which is a natural occurance in Australia) were the main factors in the problem.  Well that is my assessment of the situation and has been for years.

We have water management problems in Australia.  We have usage issues that should be regulated by government properly.  We have growing salinity problems also associated with these issues.  We have very little to no technological and infrastructure intervention in dealing with these problems.

We don't... because all levels of government are bereft of ideas and look only to the next election and keeping the political status quo.

You denying bad water management and drought are the causes of the problem?

Grendel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2008 at 8:52am:


Put it this way. Australia is the driest continent on Earth, but  we could easily reduce water consumption. We proved that in Brisbane in the last 18 months by reducing water consumption by half. For one thing we could save an enormous amount if we didn't flush our poo down the toilet with 7- 15 litres of the best potable water in the world every single time.

Water resources issues are mainly due to mismanagement and the pressures of increasing population, although the latest round of regional predictions show that in the future, things are not going to get any better as a result of climate change.  I'll let you read the IPCC regional predictions (which are worth reading), but generally the wet climates will become wetter and the dry climates will become drier.

As far as climate change is concerned, the main global consequences are yet to occur. India right now is self sufficient in food - so is China, but if the global temperatures increase by 2 degrees, that translates to about a 25- 35% drop in rice production alone. The water from the melting glaciers in the Himalayas feeds 5 major rivers in Asia, and right now, China is installing dams and pipelines. As the glaciers continue to melt, you can bet your bottom dollar that military conflicts will arise as a result of dwindling water resources. China with a population of 1.5 billion will look to the increasingly viable and unpopulated agricultural lands of Siberia (which they don't own) as temperatures increase.

- but that's for the future. Let's not confuse that with the mess we've gotten into due to lack of planning and management. Maybe if we can start to use water resources better now, it will help us in the future.

Ah actually muso that's not quite true...
Australia is the driest (permanently) inhabited continent on the Earth.

there have only been 3 political parties who advocated population policy and a "moritorium" on immigration.  the Greens, The Democrats and One Nation....  Your opening point (corrected) was in fact the opening to the ON population and water policies.

The Greens changed their tune as did the dems and ON is defunked.  Oh and The Dems are pretty well defunked also.

Since you are also talking scenarios...  we could just as easily have an Ice Age 'round the corner too.  Remember it wasn't that long ago thats some of the same scientists were making just that prediction.

In Columbus' days there was widespread scientific concensus that the world was flat.  (And they weren't getting big grants to support it)

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Even the ancient Greeks knew the world was round. In any case, this is an absurd argument. The fact that scientists were wrong about something a few centuries ago is not a sound reason for rejecting science and relying instead on the advice of uninformed cranks.

Fine by me muso...  but we might have to find an alternative way for you to put your case...  I think you've already done it here a few times in bits and pieces.

No guarantee I'll change my mind...  it's been informed by over 20 years of looking at it.

It may just be a case of agreeing to disagree...  and in 50 years if I'm still alive you can apologise for giving grief to others and being misled.  

I'm sorry that like so many things fd...  you just don't get it.
Were you flaming me again?
Was that a personal attack?
Are you going to give yourself an upper-cut for it?