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Nov 21st, 2008 at 9:01am
 
Emissions not making rivers run dry
Stewart Franks | September 12, 2008
Article from:  The Australian

IS the ongoing drought in the Murray-Darling Basin affected by climate change? The simple answer is that there is no evidence that CO2 has had any significant role. Like it or not, that is the science.

In fact, the drought was caused by an entirely natural phenomenon: the 2002 El Nino event. This led to particularly low rainfalls across eastern Australia. The subsequent years were either neutral or weak El Nino conditions. Significantly, neutral conditions are not sufficient to break a drought. In 2006, we had a return to El Nino conditions which further exacerbated the drought. What we didn't have was a strong La Nina.

Last year finally brought a La Nina event but it was relatively weak. It produced a number of major storm events in coastal areas and some useful rainfall in the Murray-Darling basin and elsewhere. Approximately half of NSW drought-declared areas were lifted out of drought (albeit into "marginal" status) and Sydney's water supply doubled in the space of a few months.

This was the first rain-bearing La Nina since 1999 but proved insufficient to break the drought. In short, the drought was initiated by El Nino, protracted by further El Nino events and perhaps more importantly, the absence of substantial La Nina events.

Despite the known causes of the drought, many have claimed that CO2 emissions are to blame. There have been arguments put forward to justify this claim, all eagerly adopted by various groups, but none of which have serious merit.

A key claim is that the multiple occurrence of El Nino is a sign of climate change. This is speculative at best. Recent analysis showed the nine-year absence of La Nina was not unusual. In fact long-term records demonstrate alternating periods of 20-40 years where El Nino is dominant, followed by similarly extended periods where La Nina dominates. Ominously, the data demonstrates that it is possible to go 14-15 years without any La Nina events. The consequent drought would be devastating but entirely natural.

The observation that El Nino and La Nina events cluster on 20-40 year, multi-decadal timescales is an important one. It demonstrates that Australia should always expect major changes in climate as a function of natural variability. When viewed in this light, the drought is most likely a recurring feature of the Australian climate.

A more recent claim is that higher temperatures are leading to increased evaporation of moisture. The weather bureau acknowledges that rainfall from September 2001 until now has not been the lowest recorded, however much has been made of the fact that consequent inflows have been the lowest. It has been claimed increased evaporation, driven by climate change, can make up this discrepancy. Indeed, Wendy Craik, the chief executive of the Murray Darling Basin Commission has stated that temperatures were warmer, leading to more evaporation and drier catchments.

This is disturbing to hear from the head of the MDBC, as it is completely at odds with the known physics of evaporation. While it sounds intuitively correct, it is wrong.

When soil contains high moisture content, much of the sun's energy is used in evaporation. Consequently, there is limited heating of the surface. When soil moisture content is low (as occurs during drought) nearly all of that energy is converted into heating the surface, and air temperatures rise significantly. Consequently, higher temperatures are due to the lack of evaporation, not a cause of significantly higher evaporation.

Cloud cover also provides a major control on air temperatures. El Nino delivers less rainfall but also less cloud cover. This has a major impact on the amount of the sun's energy reaching land; far greater than the trivial increase in radiant energy caused by increased CO2. Again, in the absence of soil moisture, air temperatures increase.

These are known and accepted processes of environmental physics and are not contentious. They are ignored because they detract from the simple message that we should sign up to the concept of "dangerous climate change" and an emissions trading scheme. After all, who would pay for carbon emissions if they were not proven to be detrimental? Who would provide extra funds for climate change science if it wasn't a proven significant factor compared to natural climatic variability?

None of the above is to say that CO2 is not having some effect; the atmospheric CO2 concentration has risen and this is largely attributable to anthropogenic emissions. CO2 is a radiatively-active gas and leads to a minor increase in downward radiation. However, there is no evidence that this is in any way significant, especially when compared to the naturally varying processes that dominate rainfall variability and evaporation.

We do know why inflows are so low and why various ecosystems of the Murray-Darling are in crisis: the system is over-allocated and has experienced a growth in groundwater extraction and in the number of farm dams preventing rainfall from becoming run-off. This is due to a failure of planning, management and leadership from the relevant authorities. Under these conditions, when a prolonged drought strikes, the system collapses.

This is a man-made problem but not one that is attributable to CO2.

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Reply #1 - Nov 21st, 2008 at 9:02am
 
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Craik is not alone in her desire to view CO2-induced climate change as proven and affecting the drought. Numerous politicians, environmentalists and especially scientists have made spectacular leaps of faith in their adherence to the doctrine of climate change over recent years, too many to document here. However, the most literally fantastic claim on climate change must go to Kevin Rudd, who has guaranteed that rainfall will decline over coming decades; one can only assume he's based his view on deficient climate models and bad advice.

Perhaps our leading climate authorities who have played such a prominent role in fomenting speculation about climate change, and who apparently adhere to the notion that climate is amenable to prediction, should also point out that these models cannot reproduce the observed multi-decadal variability of El Nino and La Nina in anything like a realistic manner.

Given the uncertainty of El Nino and La Nina behaviour, one clearly cannot predict the future.

There is no direct evidence of CO2 impacts on the drought, nor is there any rational basis for predicting rainfall in 30 years time. One just hopes that sensible and sustainable management from our leaders will enable struggling rural communities to weather the vagaries of climatic and political extremes.

Stewart Franks is a hydroclimatologist and an associate professor at the University of Newcastle School of Engineering. He is president-elect of the International Commission on the Coupled Land - Atmosphere System.

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Reply #2 - Nov 21st, 2008 at 10:04am
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 21st, 2008 at 9:01am:
IS the ongoing drought in the Murray-Darling Basin affected by climate change? The simple answer is that there is no evidence that CO2 has had any significant role. Like it or not, that is the science.


Yeah - Probably correct. It's more a function of greed and the El Nino/ La Nina cycles. Here's a good rundown:

http://www.bom.gov.au/announcements/media_releases/climate/drought/20070903.shtm...



It's a pity that journos take things out of context. What should we talk about now?

Who said that it was anyway? - some resource manager? I doubt if Wendy Craik would be qualified to make such a connection based on her qualifications. Maybe it was an off the cuff comment based on something she'd seen on TV:

http://www.asap.unimelb.edu.au/bsparcs/biogs/P004204b.htm
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Reply #3 - Nov 21st, 2008 at 10:30am
 
Oh I've heard many a Greenie talk about it in terms of global warming and "climate change".
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Reply #4 - Nov 21st, 2008 at 10:43am
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 21st, 2008 at 10:30am:
Oh I've heard many a Greenie talk about it in terms of global warming and "climate change".


I've heard many a Greenie talk about all sorts of emotive nonsense too. 'Greenies' do all sorts of feel-good things.

The fact is that no credible source has ever come up with any study that shows that the Murray Darling drought is specifically due to rising CO2 levels.

I challenge you to find something in the IPCC Synthesis report. The link is here:

http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr.pdf

Of course journalists, politicians and other laymen say the darndest things. Constructing an argument on the basis of an off the cuff remark by someone not trained in climatology is a tired basis for an argument.
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Reply #5 - Nov 21st, 2008 at 10:52am
 
Challenge all you like...  I challenge you to find "Jack the Giant Killer" in "Little Red Riding Hood."

Yes some people say and believe the darndest things...   Grin
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Reply #6 - Nov 21st, 2008 at 10:59am
 
It's called a strawman. You concoct an argument and attribute it to the 'other side', even if the other side doesn't take it seriously anyway, then you shoot your own concocted argument down in a blaze of glory. It helps create the impression you are winning an argument, even though you are only arguing with yourself and ignoring the real debate.
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Reply #7 - Nov 21st, 2008 at 11:30am
 
I didn't concoct or construct...  I simply posted an article that points to the truth as I see it.
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Reply #8 - Nov 21st, 2008 at 11:41am
 
You misunderstand Grendel. I was using the generic/indeifinite 'you'. I was not referring to you specifically.
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Reply #9 - Nov 21st, 2008 at 11:49am
 
ah...  well be clearer in future save wear and tear on my keyboard  Smiley

Does that mean you are still shooting the messenger and denying the fact that many people see the drought and the effects on our major riversystem as part of man made global warming?

Seems to me it does.
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OK I'll try.
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Reply #11 - Nov 21st, 2008 at 1:56pm
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 21st, 2008 at 11:49am:
ah...  well be clearer in future save wear and tear on my keyboard  Smiley

Does that mean you are still shooting the messenger and denying the fact that many people see the drought and the effects on our major riversystem as part of man made global warming?

Seems to me it does.


I'll congratulate the messenger if you like, Grendell.

In raising the point here you enabled me to clarify the current scientific position on the issue at point and correct the misconception of 'many people'.

Thanks to you, at least the people who read this thread will be better informed. 

What do you want - a medal ? -  get out of here  Grin
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Reply #12 - Nov 21st, 2008 at 2:04pm
 
Grendel wrote on Nov 21st, 2008 at 11:30am:
I didn't concoct or construct...  I simply posted an article that points to the truth as I see it.


I'll back Grendel up on that 100%. I've never seen anything constructive from him so far.
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Reply #13 - Nov 21st, 2008 at 10:06pm
 
Oh dear...  I'm used to the personal abuse...  it seems no matter what i say or where i go sooner or later it all becomes personal...  get a grip muso if I showed you up or proved you wrong just accept it gracefully.

The crap does get awfully tiresome.

Whatsup no one joined in on your "lets get Grendel" post this morning?  hmmm...  

In a word...  pathetic.
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Reply #14 - Nov 22nd, 2008 at 7:52am
 
Grendel - stop flogging a dead horse. Quit while you're ahead. The original argument was based on a straw man. It's probably futile to try to shame you into understanding that you were wrong, because you apparently have no shame.  Grin

OK - That's my last personal remark. I'll try to be constructive from now on. All I can say is when you read an article, take a more cynical approach. Do some research on the author and try to work out why he's making the point he is.  Approach these media articles with an open and enquiring mind and you might get somewhere.

You've got quite a lot of potential. If you didn't, I wouldn't waste my time replying to you.
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