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Re: Israeli treatment of Palestinians
Reply #45 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 9:10am

Lestat wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 8:30am:

tallowood wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:52pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:41pm:

Sounds like a CNN-ism to me.
I'd say far more get killed by the IDF than by their own fellow Palestinians.

But if it makes you feel better to pass the buck, go ahead. Nevermind the actual debate of facts going on around you.

The lies that you call "facts" sounds like Shaitan-ism to me. Of course IDF kills terrorists that is how God willed it but if you are happy with Shaitan whispers rather then with truth go ahead, after all that is why God lets Israel to kill hamas terrorists and not other way around.

So you believe that a 13 y.o girl in a school uniform who was shot over 13 times in clear daylight was a terrorist??

You should actually pay attention to the number of children killed by the IDF in this conflict, many of them whilst sitting in their class rooms, but ofcourse, in your eyes their all terrorists.

SOme of the views expressed here are nothing short of disgusting...

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Unfortunately some of the Moslem (bad) used children for suicide attack. Such behaviour is disgusting and is against Islamic doctrine according to what was told here by Moslem residents. That is why God supports IDF against hamas and other terrorists.

BTW, personal attacks make Moslem bad Moslem because anger is against Mohamed advice.

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Re: Israeli treatment of Palestinians
Reply #46 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 9:23am

tallowood wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 9:10am:

Unfortunately some of the Moslem (bad) used children for suicide attack. Such behaviour is disgusting and is against Islamic doctrine according to what was told here by Moslem residents. That is why God supports IDF against hamas and other terrorists.

BTW, personal attacks make Moslem bad Moslem because anger is against Mohamed advice.

So let me get this straight...

You are blaming the murder of a 13 y.o girl in school uniform in clear daylight, shot 14 times in the chest by IDF soldiers....on muslims, whilst claiming that God is on the side of those who actually pulled the trigger and murdered this girl.

Please clarify...is this what you are saying?

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Re: Israeli treatment of Palestinians
Reply #47 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 9:35am

Lestat wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 9:23am:

tallowood wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 9:10am:

Unfortunately some of the Moslem (bad) used children for suicide attack. Such behaviour is disgusting and is against Islamic doctrine according to what was told here by Moslem residents. That is why God supports IDF against hamas and other terrorists.

BTW, personal attacks make Moslem bad Moslem because anger is against Mohamed advice.

So let me get this straight...

You are blaming the murder of a 13 y.o girl in school uniform in clear daylight, shot 14 times in the chest by IDF soldiers....on muslims, whilst claiming that God is on the side of those who actually pulled the trigger and murdered this girl.

Please clarify...is this what you are saying?

I blame it not on Muslims but on muslim extremists, which is not the same.

Do you agree that using suicide bombers especially children and women is totally disgusting, against God'd will and should be immediately stopped by someone.

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Reply #48 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 9:48am

tallowood wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 9:35am:

I blame it not on Muslims but on muslim extremists, which is not the same.

Do you agree that using suicide bombers especially children and women is totally disgusting, against God'd will and should be immediately stopped by someone.

So you blame the muslim extremists, but the actual soldier that pulled the trigger (14 times I might add) in your eyes is a hero and as you have already said...'God is on his side'.

Whether I agree or disagree with suicide bombers (for the record I strongly oppose suicide bombers) is really irrelevant. This girl, and the hundreds of other Palestinian children murdered by IDF snipers and bombs, were not killed by suicide bombers, they were murdered by IDF soldiers.

So you believe that suicide bombers are disgusting and against Gods will, but the IDF killing Palestinian children is fine, and God is on their side. Mate...forgive me if I don't take your view to seriously. You have praised those that have murdered children...I suggest you take a good long hard look at your morals and ethics, cause really, if you believe that God is on the side of a soldier that empied 14 bullet shells into a harmless little girl, then their is something seriously wrong.

And you have stated a couple of times now that Hamas uses children as suicide bombers. this is an outright lie...and I challenge you to provide one example where a child was used in a suicide bomber, or even better, one that was in school uniform that may justify the murder of a school child in your sick mind.

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Reply #49 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 10:04am

If one can blame "the west" on all atrocities carried out by muslims, then the same logic can be applied to blaming muslims for atrocities carried out by Israel. Time and time again I have read abu blaming the west on something a muslim or a muslim group has done. The muslim who has pulled the trigger, or used the knife, or blown up the bus has not been blamed, but the "west" has been the target for abu.
Tallowood is using the same logic.

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Reply #50 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 10:06am

Lestat wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 9:48am:

tallowood wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 9:35am:

I blame it not on Muslims but on muslim extremists, which is not the same.

Do you agree that using suicide bombers especially children and women is totally disgusting, against God'd will and should be immediately stopped by someone.

So you blame the muslim extremists, but the actual soldier that pulled the trigger (14 times I might add) in your eyes is a hero and as you have already said...'God is on his side'.

Whether I agree or disagree with suicide bombers (for the record I strongly oppose suicide bombers) is really irrelevant. This girl, and the hundreds of other Palestinian children murdered by IDF snipers and bombs, were not killed by suicide bombers, they were murdered by IDF soldiers.

So you believe that suicide bombers are disgusting and against Gods will, but the IDF killing Palestinian children is fine, and God is on their side. Mate...forgive me if I don't take your view to seriously. You have praised those that have murdered children...I suggest you take a good long hard look at your morals and ethics, cause really, if you believe that God is on the side of a soldier that empied 14 bullet shells into a harmless little girl, then their is something seriously wrong.

And you have stated a couple of times now that Hamas uses children as suicide bombers. this is an outright lie...and I challenge you to provide one example where a child was used in a suicide bomber, or even better, one that was in school uniform that may justify the murder of a school child in your sick mind.

"So you blame the muslim extremists, but the actual soldier that pulled the trigger (14 times I might add) in your eyes is a hero..."

I did not say that you did. Your twisting the Truth and continuous personal attacks makes Islam to look bad and according to Koran you will burn in hell for that.

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Re: Israeli treatment of Palestinians
Reply #51 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 10:13am

jordan484 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 10:04am:

If one can blame "the west" on all atrocities carried out by muslims, then the same logic can be applied to blaming muslims for atrocities carried out by Israel. Time and time again I have read abu blaming the west on something a muslim or a muslim group has done. The muslim who has pulled the trigger, or used the knife, or blown up the bus has not been blamed, but the "west" has been the target for abu.
Tallowood is using the same logic.

No, we blame the west for all the attrocities committed by the west 'ON MUSLIMS'. Their lies the difference. No muslim here has ever justified the murder of children...ever, and I challenge you to show one post where we have.

On the contrary, we have stated a number of times now that any killing of an innocent civilian is completely against the teaching of Islam.

If a muslim deliberately kills and targets a child, then it is only his fault, no one elses, certainly not the wests.

I don't feel joy when a child is murdered, no mater what religon, race, color or creed. On the contrary, I feel anger and sorrow.

Whereas your non-muslim buddies on these forums have actually expressed joy and glee when muslim children have died (Afghan bombing) and now we have yourself defending a poster that has clearly stated that 'God is on their side' of a soldier who shot a 13 y.o girl who was in school uniform..in clear daylight.

Besides....if Abu uses this logic as you say he does (which I don't believe for a moment), then the question must be asked...why are you now defending Tallowood for doing exactly what you attack Abu for what you believe he does.

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Re: Israeli treatment of Palestinians
Reply #52 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 10:17am

tallowood wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 10:06am:

I did not say that you did. Your twisting the Truth and continuous personal attacks makes Islam to look bad and according to Koran you will burn in hell for that.

No, you did. Look a few posts above. You clearly stated that God is on the side of the IDF, and I have given you a number of chances to clarify your position.

In every post you have blamed Hamas for this murder, yet not once did you actually condemn the soldier who actually fired the shots, or the IDF who found his actions to be completely acceptable, despite the complains and objections of soldiers who refused to carry out the order.

On the contrary, the only thing that you have said about the IDF, is that 'God is on their side'.

What truth am I twisting. I have given you the oppurtunity now a number of times to condemn this murder and the child murderer that pulled the trigger, yet each time you have refused to do so, and insist on blaming others.

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Reply #53 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 10:18am

I'm not defending anyone, no one here is my "non-muslim buddy" all I was doing was stating the logic is the same.

I disagree that you only blame the west on atrocities committed against muslims, I feel you blame the west instead of blaming Islam or muslims, either because they were forced into a situation by the west or they are "puppets" of the west or numerous other excuses for muslims behaving badly.

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Reply #54 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 10:24am

jordan484 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 10:18am:

I'm not defending anyone, no one here is my "non-muslim buddy" all I was doing was stating the logic is the same.

I disagree that you only blame the west on atrocities committed against muslims, I feel you blame the west instead of blaming Islam or muslims, either because they were forced into a situation by the west or they are "puppets" of the west or numerous other excuses for muslims behaving badly.

Well yeah you did, in this instance you are defending Tallowoods position. Anyway...

The logic is completely different, because as I said earlier we do not justify the murder of children (or innocents) and never have.

When we state that 'so and so' are western puppets, it is because it is a fact. The House of Saud for example are a US puppet, and this is a fact. You use their actions to attack Islam....whereas as a muslijm, I don't beleive they are muslim at all.

Either way...we never actually justify their acts, on the contrary, we condemn them as un-Islamic. We are not defending the perpertrators and their actions, we are objecting to the fact that you guys somehow equate these criminal actions to Islam. It is Islam we are defending, not the actions of some muslims, or those that commit these acts.

Whereas Tallowood is actually defending the actual soldier that shot the bullets, and is blaming others for this girls murder.

Do you see the difference?

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Reply #55 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 10:25am

Lestat wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 10:17am:

tallowood wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 10:06am:

I did not say that you did. Your twisting the Truth and continuous personal attacks makes Islam to look bad and according to Koran you will burn in hell for that.

No, you did. Look a few posts above. You clearly stated that God is on the side of the IDF, and I have given you a number of chances to clarify your position.
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No I did not, where did I say that the soldier is a hero? Does Koran teach you to tell lies? I doubt that.

And stop denying will of God when he manifests it.

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Reply #57 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 10:31am

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 5:31pm:

it's amazing that not one person here has condemned the behaviour of the people in the videos

I doubt half of you even watched them

Gaybriel,

I confess i have not watched these particular videos.

I am on dialup [typically] @ 21 kb/s

My bandwidth [such as it is!] is too precious to waste, in spending hours downloading ISLAMIC propaganda.
....i've seen a lot of it before.

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I'd rather pursue a different path of inquiry.....

Google,
pallywood propaganda israel palestinian conflict
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=pallywood+propaganda+israel+palestinian+...

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Reply #58 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 10:31am

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Well yeah you did, in this instance you are defending Tallowoods position.

No, I'm not.
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The logic is completely different, because as I said earlier we do not justify the murder of children (or innocents) and never have.

What's your definition of an "innocent" person? Only a muslim?

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You use their actions to attack Islam.

I'm sure you use the actions of US/UN soldiers to attack the west.

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Either way...we never actually justify their acts, on the contrary, we condemn them as un-Islamic. We are not defending the perpertrators and their actions, we are objecting to the fact that you guys somehow equate these criminal actions to Islam. It is Islam we are defending, not the actions of some muslims, or those that commit these acts.

All evidence to the contrary up to this point.

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Reply #59 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 10:34am

tallowood wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 10:25am:

No I did not, where did I say that the soldier is a hero? Does Koran teach you to tell lies? I doubt that.

And stop denying will of God when he manifests it.

First post on this page. Here you go.

tallowood wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 10:25am:

Unfortunately some of the Moslem (bad) used children for suicide attack. Such behaviour is disgusting and is against Islamic doctrine according to what was told here by Moslem residents. That is why God supports IDF against hamas and other terrorists.

THis soldier who murdered this girl is an IDF soldier, and here you clearly stating that God supports the IDF. Given the context of our discussion (about the murder of a 13 y.o girl by an IDF soldier), then your implications are rather clear for all to see.

What was that about lieing.

And why do you always refer to my religous beliefs when debating me? It really does not reflect well on you.

You have attempted to justify the murder of a 13 y.o girl and you reckon it is I that is going to burn in hell. LOL.

Yeah whatever.....

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