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Reply #30 - Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:11pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:08pm:

Gaybriel, please don't put all Palestinians in one heap with hamas TERRORIST MURDERERS unless you support terrorism and deliberate murder of civilians.
Israel responds to attacks by mad dogs and mad dogs should be shot.

I have not referred to Hamas. I am talking about Palestinian citizens.

Hamas has done great harm to Palestinians.

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Reply #31 - Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:20pm

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:11pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:08pm:

Gaybriel, please don't put all Palestinians in one heap with hamas TERRORIST MURDERERS unless you support terrorism and deliberate murder of civilians.
Israel responds to attacks by mad dogs and mad dogs should be shot.

I have not referred to Hamas. I am talking about Palestinian citizens.

Hamas has done great harm to Palestinians.

Israelis don't fight Palestinians for being Palestinians but hamas kills Palestinians who refuse hamas control.

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Reply #32 - Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:24pm

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Christians dwindled in every Muslim country - because they are persecuted. In every muslim country.

Well that's funny, because the history seems to speak a different story. For 1200 years of Islamic rule, they remained quite a steady minority, yet after only 60 years of Israel, they're dwindling and being pushed further and further into tiny little enclaves. But it's the Muslims fault, of course... ok if you say so soren.

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They are not persecuted in Israel. It's just not very safe there, for some reason...

They are not permitted to preach Christianity, isn't this something Islam usually gets attacked for? Or is it only bad and oppressive if Muslims do it?

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Reply #33 - Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:28pm

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their illegal settlements, the building of separation walls etc

Just so people can actually visualise what settlements mean...

The Palestinians, even inside the West Bank, exist in a few large refugee camps, which just keep getting smaller and smaller, as more homes are bulldozed for settlements, more swaths of land confiscated for outposts and Jewish-only roads...

And to even travel from camp to camp, the Palestinians often need to wait for hours on end in queues whilst Israeli soldiers decide who can and can't go.

Women have had to give birth at these checkpoints, people have died just standing there waiting.... This is nothing but criminal, on a grand scale. anyone supporting this is indeed a supporter of oppression, cruelty and collective punishment.

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Reply #34 - Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:29pm

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:24pm:

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Christians dwindled in every Muslim country - because they are persecuted. In every muslim country.

Well that's funny, because the history seems to speak a different story. For 1200 years of Islamic rule, they remained quite a steady minority, yet after only 60 years of Israel, they're dwindling and being pushed further and further into tiny little enclaves. But it's the Muslims fault, of course... ok if you say so soren.

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They are not persecuted in Israel. It's just not very safe there, for some reason...

They are not permitted to preach Christianity, isn't this something Islam usually gets attacked for? Or is it only bad and oppressive if Muslims do it?

They are permitted to preach Christianity within own communities but they do get killed by Islamic terrorists now and then that is why they don't feel safe.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Israeli treatment of Palestinians Reply #35 - Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:41pm Sounds like a CNN-ism to me. I'd say far more get killed by the IDF than by their own fellow Palestinians. But if it makes you feel better to pass the buck, go ahead. Nevermind the actual debate of facts going on around you.
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Reply #36 - Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:52pm

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:41pm:

Sounds like a CNN-ism to me.
I'd say far more get killed by the IDF than by their own fellow Palestinians.

But if it makes you feel better to pass the buck, go ahead. Nevermind the actual debate of facts going on around you.

The lies that you call "facts" sounds like Shaitan-ism to me. Of course IDF kills terrorists that is how God willed it but if you are happy with Shaitan whispers rather then with truth go ahead, after all that is why God lets Israel to kill hamas terrorists and not other way around.

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Reply #37 - Nov 19^th, 2008 at 11:23pm

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Of course IDF kills terrorists

so all the people they kill are terrorists?

When they blow apartment blocks to pieces with their helicopter gunships, everyone inside is a terrorist, right? When they bulldoze homes with senior citizens still inside them... terrorists right? When they snipe little kids in the street, terrorists right? When they take pot shots at random people in the street for fun (something ex-IDF soldiers have admitted doing), they're terrorist right?

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Reply #38 - Nov 19^th, 2008 at 11:38pm

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 11:23pm:

[quote]Of course IDF kills terrorists

so all the people they kill are terrorists?

When they blow apartment blocks to pieces with their helicopter gunships, everyone inside is a terrorist, right? When they bulldoze homes with senior citizens still inside them... terrorists right? When they snipe little kids in the street, terrorists right? When they take pot shots at random people in the street for fun (something ex-IDF soldiers have admitted doing), they're terrorist right?

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No, That what you imply. What I say is that Islamic terrorists use own brothers and sisters as human shield because they are disgusting animals and that is why God gives victory to Israelies.

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That personal attack of his was very bad for image of Islam and though I forgive him will God be as merciful to the sinner who has broken Mohamed's "immutable" rules?

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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Israeli treatment of Palestinians Reply #39 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 7:02am Christians...Jews....Muslims....our land, their land.....we were here first....no WE were here first.....but the Bible says this....but the Koran says that....blah blah mod: swearing blah! Yeah, religion is wonderful.
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Re: Israeli treatment of Palestinians
Reply #40 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 8:30am

tallowood wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:52pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:41pm:

Sounds like a CNN-ism to me.
I'd say far more get killed by the IDF than by their own fellow Palestinians.

But if it makes you feel better to pass the buck, go ahead. Nevermind the actual debate of facts going on around you.

The lies that you call "facts" sounds like Shaitan-ism to me. Of course IDF kills terrorists that is how God willed it but if you are happy with Shaitan whispers rather then with truth go ahead, after all that is why God lets Israel to kill hamas terrorists and not other way around.

So you believe that a 13 y.o girl in a school uniform who was shot over 13 times in clear daylight was a terrorist??

You should actually pay attention to the number of children killed by the IDF in this conflict, many of them whilst sitting in their class rooms, but ofcourse, in your eyes their all terrorists.

SOme of the views expressed here are nothing short of disgusting...

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Re: Israeli treatment of Palestinians
Reply #41 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 8:45am

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:28pm:

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their illegal settlements, the building of separation walls etc

Just so people can actually visualise what settlements mean...

http://www.mideastweb.org/fmep_israel_settlements_map1.gif

The Palestinians, even inside the West Bank, exist in a few large refugee camps, which just keep getting smaller and smaller, as more homes are bulldozed for settlements, more swaths of land confiscated for outposts and Jewish-only roads...

And to even travel from camp to camp, the Palestinians often need to wait for hours on end in queues whilst Israeli soldiers decide who can and can't go.

Women have had to give birth at these checkpoints, people have died just standing there waiting.... This is nothing but criminal, on a grand scale. anyone supporting this is indeed a supporter of oppression, cruelty and collective punishment.

Where is your map showing where the 20% arab population of Israel lives? The arabs can live in israel, the jews can live on the west bank. Or is it supposed to be judenfrei like Gaza?

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Reply #42 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 8:48am

jordan484 wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 7:02am:

Christians...Jews....Muslims....our land, their land.....we were here first....no WE were here first.....but the Bible says this....but the Koran says that....blah blah

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blah!

Yeah, religion is wonderful. Roll Eyes

it's not about religion although much of the time is it spoken about in this way.

It's not about jews and muslims (not all israelis are jews and not all palestinians are muslims)- it is about land, about sovereignty, about freedom, about human rights, about dispossession etc etc etc

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Reply #43 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 8:50am

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:41pm:

Sounds like a CNN-ism to me.
I'd say far more get killed by the IDF than by their own fellow Palestinians.

But if it makes you feel better to pass the buck, go ahead. Nevermind the actual debate of facts going on around you.

This is Lestatism at its most shining.

The IDF is not targeting Christians. It is not targeting Arabs. It is not targeting even Muslims. Religion does not come into it.
Terrorists and lawbreakers are targeted. Most of them are Muslims, some are other Arabs, a few are jews and Christians.

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Re: Israeli treatment of Palestinians
Reply #44 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 8:56am

Soren wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 8:50am:

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 19^th, 2008 at 10:41pm:

Sounds like a CNN-ism to me.
I'd say far more get killed by the IDF than by their own fellow Palestinians.

But if it makes you feel better to pass the buck, go ahead. Nevermind the actual debate of facts going on around you.

This is Lestatism at its most shining.

The IDF is not targeting Christians. It is not targeting Arabs. It is not targeting even Muslims. Religion does not come into it.
Terrorists and lawbreakers are targeted. Most of them are Muslims, some are other Arabs, a few are jews and Christians.

Yeah, we get it. A 13 y.o girl in school uniform walking home is a terrorist and law breaker in your eyes. In fact, just being Palestinian makes them terrorists...you've already pathetically attempted to justify the murder of a 13 y.o girl in school uniform in clear daylight being shot 14 times, so we all understtand your disgusting views and your support for the murderers of children.

As long as they're muslims children ofcourse.

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