Gaybriel wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 5:08pm:





Dec. 2, 2006
Gaza women warned of immodesty
A....group calling itself the Just Swords of Islam issued a warning to Palestinian women in the Gaza Strip over the weekend that they must wear the hijab or face being targeted by the group's members.
.....The group said its followers last week threw acid at the face of a young woman who was dressed "immodestly" in the center of Gaza City.
.....the group also claimed responsibility for attacks on 12 Internet cafes over the past few days.
....."We will have no mercy on any woman who violates the traditions of Islam and who also hang out in Internet cafes."
ACCORDING TO THE GROUP, ITS MEMBERS USED ROCKET-PROPELLED GRENADES to attack 12 Internet cafes and a number of music shops in different parts of the Gaza Strip.
It said the places were targeted because they were "distracting an entire generation of Palestinians from their duty to worship [Allah] and jihad....
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1164881802888&pagename=JPost%2FJPArti...







Gaybriel,

When the Israelis seek to defend themselves from relentless terrorist attacks [by ISLAMISTS], they are child killers [when potential co-combatants are killed, sometimes even mistakenly].

But when ISLAMISTS target and murder fellow muslims [those who do not 'submit', or do not fully embrace the 'Cause of Allah'], they, are freedom fighters ???

Soren wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 10:11am:




That is true, and it is a good point soren.

And one which is totally ignored by the mainstream media, when this issue is discussed.

The TRUTH is that, those ppl in Gazza, and in Samaria [WB] are the illegal occupiers and invaders of Israeli land, as part of an ISLAMIC war of [re]conquest.

Under international conventions, Jordan was the designated 'homeland' of the 'Palestinian' ppl.

Why don't the 'palestinians' go there, live in peace with their neighbours, and build a nation which they could be proud of?




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Arabs / muslims have refused to accept these post war determinations, of the allocation of the lands the defunct Ottoman Empire territories, territories which previously belonged to non-muslim cultures, and were then subsumed within an ISLAMIC empire, after invasion.

And today, since 1948, muslims have steadfastly declared that the land of Israel, belongs to them [exclusively].

And that it must now again, be reabsorbed into their own ISLAMIC lands, through a religious war of [re]conquest.



Yet successive wars against Israel, have failed to deliver the desired outcome of Arabs / muslims.

To date, Israel has prevailed in each conflict.

Throughout human history, wars have always been regarded as a huge "Reset button" on all property rights, for nations and individuals.

Yet the muslims of the region have steadfastly insisted,
.....they will not make peace with their neighbour.




If this conflict against Israel is justified, why doesn't Turkey demand its Ottoman Empire territories back???

Q.
Why doesn't Turkey go to war with Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, to reclaim its land???

A.
....coz they got over it!

But ISLAMISTS,
......don't get over, and NEVER make peace with those who are resistant to THEIR will.




The Arab / 'Palestinian' conflict with Israel, has been *portrayed* by 'Palestinians' as 'a fight for our land'.

It is not.

It is a conflict between ISLAM and those unbelievers in the area [the Israelis].





'Judea', Samaria, and Gaza, are the ancient homelands of the Jewish people.

The word 'Judea' ring a bell?

What is the root of that word?

Dead Sea scrolls, etc?

The Jewish people have as much claim on 'Palestine' as anyone.
.....in my opinion.

Well then the jews that also inhabited the land are also palestinians then eh?

Oh and BTW a fact I seem to have to keep mentioning...  the Arabs already hold 75% of the mandate...  it is called Jordan.

ALL the palestinians could have lived peacefully in Israel.

when the Israeli government took power some palestinian Arabs opposed the jews others supported Israel.

Caena and Nazareth are two towns i can think of off the top of my head which support a Jewish state in Israel. they have the same rights as all other Israelis with even their own arab representatives in israels government.

it seems it was the fact that some palestinians resisted jewish sovereignty that they forfeited their land.

tallowood wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 11:53am:



So now Israelis rightfully inhibit the land and since Palestinians  waged an unjustified war on sovereign state Palestinians justly get treated as enemies ... get shot etc.  That what war is about. If Palestinians want to be treated differently they should declare end of war and behave accordingly. Happy end of the story.

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2008 at 1:29pm:



For you, me, the jews - correct. For the muslims - incorrect

Palestinian Authority religious leaders and Hamas have for years been  presenting their conflict with Israel as part of an unbroken religious war,  which Allah is waging against Jews - a conflict whose climax will be the extermination of the world's Jews.


Previously reported examples of numerous Palestinian Authority religious and  academic leaders presenting the war against Israel as a religious war.
"We the Palestinian nation, our fate from Allah is to be the vanguard of the  war against the Jews until resurrection as the prophet Muhammad said:  'Resurrection will not arrive until you will fight the Jews and kill them.'  We the Palestinians are the vanguard in this issue and in this campaign  whether or not we want this." [Dr. Ahmad Abu Halabiya, Sharia [Islamic Law] Rulings Council and Rector  of Advanced Studies, Islamic University PA TV, July 28, 2000].
And see Joel Richardson's book (I posted the lik earlier.)
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=_lyXZu3d3OcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=joel+ric...

Soren wrote on Nov 25^th, 2008 at 10:46am:




Matthew 24:10
And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11  And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12  And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Matthew 24:37
....as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Genesis 6:11
.....and the earth was filled with violence.
12  And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13  And God said unto Noah.....the earth is filled with violence through them....


I guess that these things have been going on since the time of Cain and Abel?

Brothers, slaying brothers.



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On blaming those jooos....

soren,

This story may surprise you.

I know it did me.

A rational person from Kuwait....

A 'crucible' for our faults
By Ali Ahmad Al-Baghli
Former Kuwaiti Oil Minister
........I felt dejected when I realized that 60 years have gone by and nothing happened during the glorious days. Other parts of the world reached the pinnacle of development, particularly in the 20th and 21st centuries, but the Arabs accomplished nothing because we all focused on blaming each other for the negative things happening around us. We all believed some parties are conniving against us.
........We often blame Israel for our failure to achieve development. Let us then imagine that Israel is not in the region. Would we then be like Malaysia, Indonesia, India or Turkey? I think no. It's so absurd to imagine something like this, not because of Israel but because of our tendency to oppose development or anything that is new.
........if there was no Israel for us to use as a scapegoat, we would invent someone else to blame for our problems.
http://www.canadiancoalition.com/forum/messages/30853.shtml


I wonder if this person is still breathing God's air???