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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Israeli treatment of Palestinians Reply #105 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:22pm tallowood wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 3:45pm: Does anyone else think that such school is ordinary? yes that is quite sick- but who is to say that this girl attended such a school this is what happens when a country's infrastructure, educations system, economy etc is torn apart
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Lestat Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1403	Re: Israeli treatment of Palestinians Reply #106 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:28pm Even Palestinian Christians are unfortunately victims of these criminals. ------------------- http://www.cultural-expressions.com/thesis/truthwillsetyoufree.htm
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Reply #107 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:31pm

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:17pm:

let's keep the discussion in palestine. this is about palestine not islam.

you can bet even if the majority of palestinians were christian or catholic they would still be fighting the israelis

I can bet on opposite and I would win.

Of course it has nothing to do with hamas being islamic organisation but rather with them being islamist organisation and islamism has no borders.

BTW, why did you deleted my posts where I don't attack anybody and left lestat's post where he's going on about me?

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Reply #108 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:37pm

tallowood wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:31pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:17pm:

let's keep the discussion in palestine. this is about palestine not islam.

you can bet even if the majority of palestinians were christian or catholic they would still be fighting the israelis

I can bet on opposite and I would win.

don't think so!

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Of course it has nothing to do with hamas being islamic organisation but rather with them being islamist organisation and islamism has no borders.

BTW, why did you deleted my posts where I don't attack anybody and left lestat's post where he's going on about me?

just send me the post and I'll have a look

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Reply #109 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:41pm

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:37pm:

tallowood wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:31pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:17pm:

let's keep the discussion in palestine. this is about palestine not islam.

you can bet even if the majority of palestinians were christian or catholic they would still be fighting the israelis

I can bet on opposite and I would win.

don't think so!

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Of course it has nothing to do with hamas being islamic organisation but rather with them being islamist organisation and islamism has no borders.

BTW, why did you deleted my posts where I don't attack anybody and left lestat's post where he's going on about me?

just send me the post and I'll have a look

You are wrong

Just go to pages 6 and 7 and see for yourself how he tells lies about me.

Anyway why you delete my posts where is no personal attacks at all?

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 7323 Gender:	Re: Israeli treatment of Palestinians Reply #110 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:46pm more ordinary palestinian school girls in ordinary palestinian uniforms (explosives belts and the rest)
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Reply #111 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:54pm

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:17pm:

let's keep the discussion in palestine. this is about palestine not islam.

you can bet even if the majority of palestinians were christian or catholic they would still be fighting the israelis

Right there is a huge miscontruing of the situation. And this assertion is calculated to remove the essence of the source Mulism Arab hostility to Israeel.

Israel'ss resistance of terrorists is a normal state's response to constant threats against its citizens.

The motivation of Muslims - and not just palestinian Arabs - is motivated by religion. The palestinian refugees are kept in squalor by their muslim brethren in order to maintain the hostility towards israel. Why?

The hunreds of millions of Arab muslims could have easily abssorbed the few hundred thousand palestinians. The sliver of land that is Israel is geographically insignificant in comparison to the Arab lands.

It is not even about about the ownership of land as far as the arabs are concerned - arabs happily sold their land to jews beforee 1948.

It is about the fact that the existence of Israel contradict Islam. That is why all the Muslimss involve themselves.

And to anticipatee your parallel, catholic populations of latin America, Italy, Spain etc did not involve themselves in the N-Ireland conflict, because it was not a challenge to their religion in a way that Israel's very existence is a challenge to and repudiation of Islam.

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Reply #112 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 5:08pm

Soren wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:54pm:

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:17pm:

let's keep the discussion in palestine. this is about palestine not islam.

you can bet even if the majority of palestinians were christian or catholic they would still be fighting the israelis

Right there is a huge miscontruing of the situation. And this assertion is calculated to remove the essence of the source Mulism Arab hostility to Israeel.

Israel'ss resistance of terrorists is a normal state's response to constant threats against its citizens.

you do not think that palestinians are terrorised in any way?

if palestinians had the luxury of conducted traditional warfare they would. what they do to fight is the only thing they can

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The motivation of Muslims - and not just palestinian Arabs - is motivated by religion. The palestinian refugees are kept in squalor by their muslim brethren in order to maintain the hostility towards israel. Why?

this is very untrue- where do you get this from?

a lot of aid is sent to palestinians from muslims (and others) around the world. unfortunately much of it is blocked. The US has blocked certain aid to palestine and so has Israel. so if you're looking for someone to blame for the squalor I suggest you look to them.

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The hunreds of millions of Arab muslims could have easily abssorbed the few hundred thousand palestinians. The sliver of land that is Israel is geographically insignificant in comparison to the Arab lands.

this is hardly the point, even if this were true

1. why is it their responsibility to do this? just because they're arab?

2. palestinians want their HOME back, they want their land.

3. this does nothing to undo or make up for the original injustice

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It is not even about about the ownership of land as far as the arabs are concerned - arabs happily sold their land to jews beforee 1948.

selling land is different from forced dispossession from that land

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It is about the fact that the existence of Israel contradict Islam. That is why all the Muslimss involve themselves.

nothing supports this theory. religion has taken over for many yes, much as the northern ireland conflict was always put in religious terms- the hatred there between religions was unbelievable. but was their orignal complaint about religion or about sovereignty?

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And to anticipatee your parallel, catholic populations of latin America, Italy, Spain etc did not involve themselves in the N-Ireland conflict, because it was not a challenge to their religion in a way that Israel's very existence is a challenge to and repudiation of Islam.

northern ireland was about sovereignty although much of it was phrased in religious terms. it manifested itself that way yes- but this was not the complaint.

much in the way that palestine's issue is with sovereignty, about being under occupation, about being oppressed.

it is good that muslims around the world see this injustice and fight against it. just as many non-muslims do.

and yes the irish on both sides of the conflict in northern ireland had many international supporters and you will find that anyone of the irish diaspora most certainly had support for one side or the other

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 7323 Gender:	Re: Israeli treatment of Palestinians Reply #113 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 5:24pm I think that Palestinian children are terrorised by Palestinian terrorists http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=blqaVHws1W0 What northern Ireland have to do with it, why do you go off topic while insisting that we stay on topic?
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Israeli treatment of Palestinians Reply #114 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 5:32pm the northern ireland parallel was drawn- I responded to it as a part of my overall argument
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 7323 Gender:	Re: Israeli treatment of Palestinians Reply #115 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 5:38pm Gaybriel wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 5:32pm: the northern ireland parallel was drawn- I responded to it as a part of my overall argument When 13 year old girl was discussed I explained how dangerous a suicidal 13 year old girl with explosive belt can be and was accused of not staying on topic.
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Reply #116 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 5:50pm

Gaybriel wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 5:08pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 4:54pm:

[quote]The motivation of Muslims - and not just palestinian Arabs - is motivated by religion. The palestinian refugees are kept in squalor by their muslim brethren in order to maintain the hostility towards israel. Why?

this is very untrue- where do you get this from?

From here, among other places.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=_lyXZu3d3OcC&printsec=frontcover&dq=joel+ric...

Scroll down the page to read the cheif palestinian mufti's way of putting it.

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Reply #117 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 7:26am

There was no such think as a palestianian till the mandate was created gaybriel. how many times do I have to post historical facts on this site before all you Muslims and Muslim sympathisers stop spouting nonsense. Do I have to post it to you all individually? At least Abu has changed his rhetoric a bit dsince last time I had to correct him.

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Reply #118 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 7:57am

Lestat wrote on Nov 20^th, 2008 at 1:18pm:

Thanks Yadda...you've actually told us all exactly the type of person you are.

FOR ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO HAVE COMPASSION,
....FOR THE 'VICTIMS' OF THOSE EVIL 'MURDEROUS ZIONISTS'...

Repeat after me,
"ISLAM - IS A DEATH CULT."

"......in the words of Islamism's most influential thinker, Sayyid Qutb,
....."the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood." "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8802-2243871,00.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb

Repeat after me,
"ISLAM - IS A DEATH CULT."

"We love death. The US loves life. That is the difference between us two."
Osama bin Laden, November 2001
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22We+love+death.+The+US+loves+life%22+l...

Repeat after me,
"ISLAM - IS A DEATH CULT."

"The Jews love life,.....they love life and we love death."
Hezbollah’s Secretary General Hassan Nasrallah
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22they+love+life+and+we+love+death%22+N...

Repeat after me,
"ISLAM - IS A DEATH CULT."

"We're talking about people [muslims] who like to die, the way, you [unbelievers] like to live."
Abu Izzadeen - UK cleric, July, 2006
http://www.islam-watch.org/AdrianMorgan/Izzadin_Sharia_conquer_infidel2.htm
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=%22We%27re+talking+about+people+who+like+to+di...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Izzadeen

Repeat after me,
"ISLAM - IS A DEATH CULT."

25 May 2007
"......Al-Faisal spent years travelling the UK preaching racial hatred urging his audience to kill Jews, Hindus and Westerners.
......But throughout the trial he denied he had intended to incite people to violence.
......he argued his talks came from the Koran and if he was on trial so was the holy text."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6692243.stm

Repeat after me,
"ISLAM - IS A DEATH CULT.
.....And i am an ISLAMIST dupe.
.....And yet, i am happy to act as an apologist for HOMICIDAL MANIACS, because they constantly assure me that they really are my friends."

February 5, 2008
70-year-old woman, convert from Islam to Christianity, burned to death in Bangladesh
....DHAKA, BANGLADESH (BosNewsLife)-- Christian villagers in a Muslim-majority area of Bangladesh on Tuesday, February 5, mourned the death of a 70-year-old woman who died from burns she suffered when a mob reportedly set her home ablaze as a punishment for converting from Islam to Christianity.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019813.php

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To all you people who really, really are, the friends of murderers.....

"And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean:"

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Matthew 24:10
And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

Matthew 24:37
....as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Genesis 6:11
.....and the earth was filled with violence.
12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13 And God said unto Noah.....the earth is filled with violence through them....

Psalms 11:4
The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD'S throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.

When God is revealed to their hearts, men will be ashamed.....

Isaiah 25:7
And he will destroy in this mountain the face of the covering cast over all people, and the vail that is spread over all nations.
8 He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord GOD will wipe away tears from off all faces; and the rebuke of his people shall he take away from off all the earth: for the LORD hath spoken it.

Isaiah 40:5
And the glory of the LORD shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Malachi 3:1
....and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth?

Revelation 6:16
And [men] said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

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The Koran....

"Behold! they fold up their hearts, that they may lie hid from Him! Ah even when they cover themselves with their garments, He knoweth what they conceal, and what they reveal: for He knoweth well the (inmost secrets) of the hearts."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/011.qmt.html#011.005

"Then, on the Day of Judgment,.....Then would they offer submission (with the pretence), "We did no evil (knowingly)." (The angels will reply), "Nay, but verily Allah knoweth all that ye did;"
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/016.qmt.html#016.027
.v 27, 28

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #119 - Nov 21^st, 2008 at 8:24am

The EU and the West' are the dupes of ISLAMIC 'victim' propaganda.

They have already given $Billions to Palestinians, in cash and aid.

TO WHAT EFFECT?
....where did / does all of that money, and aid, go???

Google this....
Arafat died a billionaire.
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Arafat+died+a+billionaire.&btnG=Google+S...

And of course, we all know that Arafat was a great peacemaker, having received the Nobel Peace Prize.
/sarc off

Palestinians have been the recipients of a tremendous amount of aid from the West.

But have not spent it on building a nation,
....rather they are bombarding Israeli towns with rockets.
....as Europe pledges [MORE CASH AND ASSISTANCE] $7.4 billion!!!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aHvsZhQ7xiYo&refer=home

As i said, the EU and the West' are dupes - to the ISLAMIC 'victim' propaganda.

But, the 'Palestinians' leadership still have enough 'sense' to shut down Internet cafes, and other sources of independent information,
KEEPING THEIR OWN PEOPLE LIVING IN IGNORANCE AND SQUALOR...

News items,

Dec. 2, 2006
Gaza women warned of immodesty
A....group calling itself the Just Swords of Islam issued a warning to Palestinian women in the Gaza Strip over the weekend that they must wear the hijab or face being targeted by the group's members.
.....The group said its followers last week threw acid at the face of a young woman who was dressed "immodestly" in the center of Gaza City.
.....the group also claimed responsibility for attacks on 12 Internet cafes over the past few days.
....."We will have no mercy on any woman who violates the traditions of Islam and who also hang out in Internet cafes."
ACCORDING TO THE GROUP, ITS MEMBERS USED ROCKET-PROPELLED GRENADES to attack 12 Internet cafes and a number of music shops in different parts of the Gaza Strip.
It said the places were targeted because they were "distracting an entire generation of Palestinians from their duty to worship [Alla] and jihad....
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1164881802888&pagename=JPost%2FJPArti...

June 3, 2008
Anti-Christian 'Cleansing' Campaign Picks Up Pace in Gaza
Attacks on Christian targets and those identified with Western culture have grown more frequent in Gaza in the past two years, and especially since the Hamas takeover in June 2007, experts say. The targets have included churches, Christian and United Nations schools, the American International School, libraries and Internet cafes.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/126388

In those last two stories, did you notice a target 'inclination' there?

I did.

Destroy schools.
Destroy libraries.
Destroy Internet cafes [with RPG's].
Throw acid in the faces of [un-submissive] women.

AND of course,
......'Palestinian' children will throw rocks at Israeli tanks [which makes for great PR images, eh?],
......and ISLAMISTS ceaselessly encourage 'Palestinian' children to become suicide bombers, at Israeli army checkpoints.

2 Q's.
....why don't the Palestinian 'freedom fighters' use the RPG's against the Israeli tanks???
....and do the Palestinian 'freedom fighters' feel any trepidation, when they are [fearlessly] throwing acid in the faces of young women?

As i said, the EU and the West' are dupes - to ISLAMIC 'victim' propaganda.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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