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The ISLAMIC invasion of Abyssinia
Nov 14^th, 2008 at 3:13pm

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The ISLAMIC invasion of Abyssinia

abu_rashid wrote on Aug 14^th, 2008 at 8:23pm:

freediver,

I was looking over your wiki entry about Islam and I just wanted to challenge a certain them that recurs a few times there:

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Islam differs from what most Australians typically think of as religion in that it doubles as a system of government. Muslims are commanded to live by the local laws if they are living in a non-Muslim state, but the mechanism for turning a non-Muslim state into a Muslim one is ambiguous. Hostility towards Islam is considered justification for conquest. Such hostility seems inevitable if a large group of people try to undermine our values and system of government.

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If Australia was at war with the Caliphate, Australian Muslims would be required to take up arms against Australia. There is no clear guideline for identifying when this should occur.

Are you aware of the history of Abyssinia? And it's relationship to Islam..

In the earliest days of Islam, much like we are again today, Muslims were a weak and oppressed people, stateless and seeking to establish themselves, a small group of the close family/companions of Muhammad (pbuh) were given permission to migrate to Abyssinia, to seek refuge there from the persecution they were suffering in Makkah. Muhammad (pbuh) advised them that the King of Abyssinia was a just and pious man, and that they would be safe there. There was a famous encounter that occured when the Makkans sent a delegation to seek the repatriation of the Muslims. The cousin of Muhammad (pbuh) Ja'far (May God be pleased with him), presented the case of the Muslims to the King of Abyssinia, and he agreed to let the Muslims stay and live in safety.

Due to this kind and noble treatment of the Abyssinians towards the Muslims, the Islamic Caliphate for centuries never dared to attack the Christian Kingdom of Abyssinia, even though all the lands around it became Muslim, and it remained that way pretty much until the 1500's with the arrival of the Europeans, who sought to use the Christian Kingdom to their advantage against the Muslims.

This example indicates quite clearly that Muslims are quite capable of having peaceful relations with people who wish to remain Christian, especially if they'd shown kindness and mercy to the Muslims when they were in need. However, I can only imagine how a re-established Caliphate would look back from the future on a nation that vilified it's Muslim minority and sought to demonise them as an evil presence that should be opposed, fought and expelled.

Just some food for thought

The ISLAMIC invasion of Abyssinia occured just 17 years after Abyssinia had helped, and given refuge to persecuted Moslems in Arabia.

".....At the age of forty-three, Muhammad went to the public square
around the Ka.aba stone to preach. He proclaimed that Allah was
one, unseen and all-powerful. He condemned the worship of other
gods beside Allah and warned of a coming day of judgment. In
thirteen years of peaceful preaching, he won about a hundred
followers. Persecution broke out and some of his followers fled to
Abyssinia (now Ethiopia, a Christian country).
The Negus of Abyssinia and his Christian subjects protected the
Moslems and lavished love on them. When the Meccan persecutors
demanded their repatriation, the Christians refused to hand them
over.
.......632 AD - Invasion of Abyssinia (Ethiopia) but the invading
Islamic army was repelled by the orthodox church
backed by the Portugese. This was a particularly
disgraceful event, because just seventeen years earlier,
Abyssinia had helped the persecuted Moslems."
http://www.beholdthebeast.com/the_big_lie.htm

Google,
islam conquest of Abyssinia
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=islam+conquest+of+Abyssinia&btnG=Google+...

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POSTED HERE [Extremism Exposed], BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN REQUESTED BY ABU, NOT TO POST ON THE ISLAM BOARD

.....BECAUSE OF MY 'ABUSIVE' POSTS THERE

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: The ISLAMIC invasion of Abyssinia
Reply #1 - Nov 16^th, 2008 at 12:09pm

abu has suggested that the information in the first post this thread, about a muslim invasion of Abyssinia [632 AD] may be incorrect.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1218709393/19#19

On investigation, i concede this specific information may be incorrect.

I posted this information, about a muslim invasion of Abyssinia [632 AD], because i found it on 2 separate web sites,
...which at first sight, being present on two different web sites, seemed to confirm this information.

Maybe this information about a [supposed] muslim invasion of Abyssinia is incorrect?
[i am waiting on a reply from one of the web site authors]

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I had no reason to doubt that this account of a muslim invasion of was Abyssinia untrue.

Why would i?

When muslim 'missionaries' invaded Christian Jerusalem [and the surrounding lands], Christian north Africa, and Christian southern Europe in the 700's, muslims did not come in peace, with persuasion, but with their swords, intending 'holy' mayhem, and muslim supremacism.

It would not be out unreasonable, to believe such an account [an invasion of was Abyssinia], and of betrayal of, and aggression against non-muslims, by devout muslims.

The doctrines of ISLAM itself, absolutely encourages such tactics of 'warfare', against all non-muslims.

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RESPECTERS OF PERSONS

Whenever they are societally equal or lesser, muslims are consummate 'respecters of persons'.
.....[i.e. they are obeyer's of laws, authority, .....while muslims, are being observed.]
.....[not unlike many non-muslims! Wink

]

But where and *when* muslims perceive an [un impeachable] advantage, they will break and betray their own social traditions, and 'treaties'.

This is confirmed in ISLAM's history.

This is their culture, and this is their 'religion'.

As an example,
Google,
Treaty of Hudaibiyah

The Treaty of Hudaibiyah is an example where Muhammad made a [10 year] treaty with non-muslims,
....when it was in his interests [because he was in of a position of political weakness].

The Treaty of Hudaibiyah was an example where Muhammad cast aside this same treaty [after 2 years],
....when his own forces were stronger, and he was no longer reliant on the protection that the treaty gave him.

While they are societally equal or lesser, muslims are consummate respecters of persons [and respecters of social 'treaties'].

But if you want to know what is in the heart of many devout muslims, just look at the many examples of how muslims treat [abuse!] the societally weak.....

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226445495/0#0
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226445495/2#2

There is ample evidence of a history of ruthlessness, lying, deception, and betrayal [by muslims], against those non-muslims they have had dealings with.

And that the betrayal of those [non-muslims] who give them sanctuary is unexceptional, for devout muslims.
....[when muslims are no longer in a position of weakness].....

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226363739/0#0

"The Jewish tribe of Banu Qureza, in a besieged settlement were persuaded to surrender to Muhammad and his cut throats.
....And as an exercise [lacking] in Allah's mercy, Muhammad and his followers put around 800 men of that community to death.
.....i.e. those persons who had surrendered, to Allah's 'holy' warriors.
All of the men were taken off in small groups, bound, and then beheaded."
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1226444083/0#0

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MUSLIM 'RESPECT' FOR NON-MUSLIM SOCIETY
.....when they feel themselves becoming politically powerful,

Muslim street protest - London

A Sharia state for the UK - demand muslims.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: The ISLAMIC invasion of Abyssinia
Reply #2 - Nov 16^th, 2008 at 12:22pm

Abyssinia not withstanding.....

THE KORAN AND HADITH ARE CLEARLY A PACK OF LIES,
.....HAVING BEEN PRODUCED AND COMPILED BY SELF CONFESSED LIARS, DECEIVERS, AND OATH BREAKERS.

Lying, cheating, murdering, for devout muslims, these things are OK.

All of these attributes are OK for the devout muslim,
....coz Allah, and Muhammad, have said these actions in Allah's service are 'good works'.

The Koran,

Some oaths are unimportant, because [mr muslim] 'Allah is your Protector'.....

"O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths (in some cases): and Allah is your Protector, and He is Full of Knowledge and Wisdom."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/066.qmt.html#066.001
v 1&2

The Hadith,

Muhammad is an oath breaker, a man for all seasons.

".....By Allah, and Allah willing, if I take an oath and later find something else better than that. then I do what is better and expiate my oath.' " "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/067.sbt.html#007.0...

"......If you ever take an oath to do something and later on you find that something else is better, then you should expiate your oath and do what is better." "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/089.sbt.html#009.0...

".......O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/059.sbt.html#005.0...

Muhammads advice to muslims, upon another assassination quest for Allah.....

Ishaq:365, Tabari VII:94
Google
"You are absolved, free to say whatever you must."
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=%22You+are+absolved%2C+free+to+say+whate...

The Koran states...... that Mohammed is a wonderful example for all muslims to follow.
.....[that veracity of such a self-aggrandising statement, seeing that Mohammed himself received this 'revelation' from Allah, about his own virtue, is worth considering].

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. "

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/033.qmt.html#033.021

Muhammad declares himself a paragon of virtue, in Allah's eyes.

Muhammad ALONE declares that non-muslims who reject ISLAM may be 'legally' murdered.

Yet anyone who questions or scrutinises ISLAM, is arrogant.
/sarc offiIf you follow Muhammad's example, in this life,
.....then when your life is over, you will go to that place, where Muhammad is.

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Deuteronomy 17:6
At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Numbers 30:1
And Moses spake unto the heads of the tribes concerning the children of Israel, saying, This is the thing which the LORD hath commanded.
2 If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul with a bond; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth.

Psalms 5:5
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing [deceit]: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: The ISLAMIC invasion of Abyssinia Reply #3 - Nov 16^th, 2008 at 1:41pm Anyone with an iota of dignity would've just deleted the thread, upon realising it's a load of bollocks. Then again, that's someone with an iota of dignity. A humble and pious Christian instead decides to continue with more arrogant rants. Blessed are the meek...
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Re: The ISLAMIC invasion of Abyssinia
Reply #4 - Nov 16^th, 2008 at 1:57pm

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2008 at 1:41pm:

Anyone with an iota of dignity would've just deleted the thread, upon realising it's a load of bollocks. Then again, that's someone with an iota of dignity.

A humble and pious Christian instead decides to continue with more arrogant rants.

Blessed are the meek...

abu,

Indeed, blessed are the meek.

What of the arrogant and self-aggrandising???

Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Isaiah 13:11
And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.

Jeremiah 48:29
We have heard the pride of Moab, (he is exceeding proud) his loftiness, and his arrogancy, and his pride, and the haughtiness of his heart.

Muhammad, speaking of himself, out of his own heart....

"Ye have indeed in the Messenger of Allah a beautiful pattern (of conduct) for any one whose hope is in Allah and the Final Day, and who engages much in the Praise of Allah. "
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/033.qmt.html#033.021

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To the proud....

Ezekiel 35:10
Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the LORD was there:
11 Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will even do according to thine anger, and according to thine envy which thou hast used out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I have judged thee.
12 And thou shalt know that I am the LORD, and that I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume.
13 Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.
14 Thus saith the Lord GOD; When the whole earth rejoiceth, I will make thee desolate.
15 As thou didst rejoice at the inheritance of the house of Israel, because it was desolate, so will I do unto thee: thou shalt be desolate, O mount Seir, and all Idumea, even all of it: and they shall know that I am the LORD.

Idumea = = Edom = = Jordan = = 'Palestinians'

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 41415 Gender:	Re: The ISLAMIC invasion of Abyssinia Reply #5 - Nov 16^th, 2008 at 5:20pm Abu - wassa madda ??? get flogged again in a forum you don't moderate ???
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Reply #6 - Nov 16^th, 2008 at 5:51pm

sprint, in case you're a little slow. This topic was proven in another thread to be nothing but a fabrication. So Yadda tried to half apologise, and quickly jump into a different diversionary attack on Islam, rather than just being a stand up kind of person and admit their error...

This wouldn't be the first time you've jumped on the bus without checking where it's going though

Nevermind, better luck next time.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: The ISLAMIC invasion of Abyssinia Reply #7 - Nov 16^th, 2008 at 7:42pm is it not true that Islam is trying to make further inroads in Africa as we speak?
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: The ISLAMIC invasion of Abyssinia Reply #8 - Nov 16^th, 2008 at 8:33pm What's that got to do with a fabricated invasion in 632? Besides, most of the missionary activity in Africa is by Christians, not Muslims. so that was a pretty silly point to raise.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: The ISLAMIC invasion of Abyssinia Reply #9 - Nov 16^th, 2008 at 8:47pm Arguing the point that Muslims even today are spreading the word as you will by coersion or force... as they have always done. Thing is it isn't just the word is it...
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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: The ISLAMIC invasion of Abyssinia Reply #10 - Nov 16^th, 2008 at 9:29pm Yeh Islam was and is spread by the sword. The sword of truth, which touches deep into the hearts. Where is Islam being spread by force or coercion in Africa? Again, I think you mean Christians, coercion with a Bible in one hand and a food package in the other.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: The ISLAMIC invasion of Abyssinia Reply #11 - Nov 16^th, 2008 at 9:36pm Yes much better to be threatened by a sword than food.... LOL
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 41415 Gender:	Re: The ISLAMIC invasion of Abyssinia Reply #12 - Nov 16^th, 2008 at 10:10pm Abu - hahhahah, yes, those christians giving poor people food !! Building them schools, wells, EVEN giving some kids shoeboxes of presents at christmas !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What does the muslim world do in the way of charity world wide ?? What do you huys give to infidels ???? ANSWER THIS ONE ABU
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Reply #13 - Nov 17^th, 2008 at 8:52am

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2008 at 8:33pm:

What's that got to do with a fabricated invasion in 632? Grin

Besides, most of the missionary activity in Africa is by Christians, not Muslims. so that was a pretty silly point to raise.

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Advice given to muslim 'missionaries'.....

"Pack your sword."

Hadith....

"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...

Koran....

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.216

"The believer who dies fighting in Allah's cause against the unbelievers, will go to the Gardens of Paradise. ISLAM is peace."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.120

Actually, that last Koran verse given, may be in error.

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Advice to Christian missionaries.....

"Preach the good news.
Your redemption approaches...."

Luke 21:28
.....look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Dictionary,
redeem
1 compensate for the faults or bad aspects of. Ø (redeem oneself) make up for one’s poor past performance or behaviour. Ø save from sin, error, or evil.
2 gain or regain possession of in exchange for payment. Ø Finance repay (a stock, bond, etc.) at the maturity date. Ø exchange (a coupon) for goods or money. Ø clear (a debt).
3 fulfil (a pledge or promise).
4 archaic buy the freedom of.

Matthew
24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

[Here below, Paul is talking of the person of Jesus,]

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: [1] God was manifest in the flesh, [2] justified in the Spirit, [3] seen of angels, [4] preached unto the Gentiles, [5] believed on in the world, [6] received up into glory.

And he died abu, as a man.

But was raised up again by God.

Matthew 17:1
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

abu, does Jesus speak to your heart, do you hear him calling you?

He calls to all of us.

Some of us can hear him speak to our hearts.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: The ISLAMIC invasion of Abyssinia
Reply #14 - Nov 17^th, 2008 at 9:48am

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 16^th, 2008 at 9:29pm:

Yeh Islam was and is spread by the sword. The sword of truth, which touches deep into the hearts.

Where is Islam being spread by force or coercion in Africa?

abu,

Remember your Koran?

"Let there be no compulsion in religion......."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.256

The darker interpretation on this 'soft' verse, AND AN 'INTERPRETATION' WHICH MANY MILITANT MUSLIMS ACCEPT, IS,
...."You can choose conversion, submission, or death.
.....**NO COMPULSION**! YOU CHOOSE."

Muslims will deflect, and deny, but they are such liars.

These things are happening in the world today.

EXAMPLES HERE,

Iraq [not Africa, but significant] -

4 March 2007
Iraq's Mandaeans 'face extinction'
By Angus Crawford
The Sabian Mandaeans - one of the oldest religious groups in the world - are facing extinction, according to its leaders.
They claim that Islamic extremists in Iraq are trying to wipe them out through forced conversions, rape and murder.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6412453.stm

Sudan -
An estimated 2 million Christians have been murdered in the last 20 years, in Sudan [by ISLAMISTS]

2002
"....jihad forces Islam on Christians Women refusing to convert gang-raped, mutilated, says relief worker.
....Backed by Muslim clerics, the National Islamic Front regime in the Arab and Muslim north declared a jihad, or holy war, on the south in 1989. Since 1983, an estimated 2 million people have died from war and related famine. About 4.5 million have become refugees."
http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/jihad.htm

Google,
2 million christians killed 20 years sudan
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=2+million+christians+killed+20+years+sud...

Yet.....
Devout, virtuous, and 'pure' muslims have no organisation set-up, to prevent these atrocities occurring,
.....those atrocities being committed by those claiming to be muslims.

And personally, i have not noticed any condemnation from the worldwide muslim community, of those [who claim to be] muslims committing this violence.

Why?

And don't these ppl committing these atrocities bring ISLAM into disrepute???

So abu, why are there no death fatwas pronounced by the ayatollahs, against these ppl who are bringing ISLAM into disrepute???

Or are death fatwas given EXCLUSIVELY against apostates, and non-muslims, who criticise and scrutinise ISLAM????i
The only word from the worldwide muslim community are words about how,
....."These [ppl committing these acts] are not 'true' muslims."
or muslims attempt to curtail criticism [of their fellow muslims] with a gag,
....."Shut up. This [TRUTH] is a slander of ISLAM."

I am absolutely sure that right now, again, the worldwide muslim community are in the formative stages of 'reconstructing' the history of these world events,
....to portray all of these troubles as having non-muslim causes.

The ISLAMIC propaganda machine again, is no doubt in full swing, to deflect criticism, and to re-attribute blame for such events, to non-muslims.

abu, no doubt after the ISLAMIC caliphate takes over the world [ha ha ha], muslims will re-write recent history.

Telling how muslims had always worked tirelessly, providing aid programs, to ease the desperate conditions of the peoples of Africa.

Despite the opposition, oppression, of Africans, and their exploitation [exclusively] by non-muslims.

Enough ranting.....

BACK TO REALITY.....

abu, abu, abu...

With Jihadists in Africa, seeking ISLAMIC hegemony.

Why are there no 'pure', virtuous, Australian muslims, travelling to Africa, to lead these 'misunderstanders' of ISLAM to the correct path????

Why is there no condemnation of this current evil, by 'pure', virtuous, muslims, or by the Organisation of the Islamic Conference????

Organisation of the Islamic Conference
"Since the nineteenth century, Muslims had aspired ideas of uniting their community to serve their common political, economic, and social interests....."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_of_the_Islamic_Conference

Hmmmm....

".....Muslims had aspired ideas of uniting their community to serve their common political, economic, and social interests."
.....of who????

Muslims???

And going off on a slight tangent....

How much food aid has [oil revenue wealthy] Saudi Arabia, or Iran, donated to the poor in Africa in recent years?

Hmmmm?

Those would be interesting figures.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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