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ISLAM - does deception become *self*-deception???
Nov 12^th, 2008 at 8:41am

Within ISLAM - does deception become *self*-deception???

Within a culture of wholesale deception, and with a doctrine of deception [Taqiyya], do muslims at times become the victims [literally] of their own deceptions, against the 'enemies of Allah'???

The answer seems to be a resounding YES!!!

ISLAM - does deception become *self*-deception???

Within muslim communities, is there a danger that muslims begin to believe their own propaganda, and what is TRUTH, and what is lies, becomes a blur of incomprehensibility?

Example #1

The Lie [deception].....

"ISLAM is a religion of peace."

The consequence of believing this lie, for a muslim woman in the UK.....

November 10, 2008
Jihadists flout UK's hate speech laws
"Islamic radicals make mockery of hate laws,"
".....When a woman in a burkha asked how he could justify this when Islam was supposed to be a religion of peace, the crowd mocked her. But it was Choudary who rose to put her in her place. "Islam is not a religion of peace," he said. "It is a religion of submission. We need to submit to the will of Allah." "
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023451.php
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23584232-details/Islamic%20radica...

No doubt, the brothers think this was amusing?

"Just a silly, silly, woman.
Dumb female, who believed our lies!
What do you expect from a woman, with half the mental capacity of a brother [man]."

Cheesy

Example #2

The Lie [deception].....

'We Hate Muslims!'

- poster put up at George Washington University - BY A MUSLIM PROPAGANDIST.
....i think that they used to call them 'agent provocatures'.

The consequence for muslims, of believing this lie.....

These posters were produced, and put up, BY A MUSLIM, at George Washington University.

This muslim did this, with a specific intent.

To stifle debate about ISLAM, and to portray critical debate about ISLAM as hateful.

Finally, after many muslims described the posters as an expression of hate against muslims, it was discovered that,
"....a Muslim student actually admitted putting up the fake posters - - it was satire, he said."

But in any case, because of this 'incident', many muslims were able to portray themselves as 'hate victims'.

Phony 'Satirical' Anti-Muslim Posters Circulated at GWU [George Washington University]
Tue, Oct 9, 2007
At George Washington University, another outrageous action by the Saudi-funded radical Islamic front group calling itself the Muslim Student Association
.....Posters appeared all over the George Washington University campus yesterday morning blaring the message: "HATE MUSLIMS? SO DO WE!!!"
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=27430_Phony_Satirical_Anti-Muslim_...

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If it is possible for me, to quickly find these two particular incidents, of muslims becoming the dupes of their own 'hate' propaganda, against non-muslims, and of ISLAMIC lies falsely portraying ISLAM as a meritorious, peaceful philosophy, isn't it likely that these type of repercussions [muslims becoming the dupes of their own 'hate' propaganda] are being spread much further, within muslim communities than anyone knows?

Wake up people!!!

ISLAM - a *political* philosophy which promotes its own 'victimhood', and at the same time promotes hatred and violence against non-muslims.

ISLAM is,
.....EVIL,
.....A DANGER TO ALL CIVIL SOCIETY,
.....AND IS AN ORGANISATION WHICH PROMOTES INTER-COMMUNAL VIOLENCE.

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From the Koran....

"O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse. We have made plain to you the Signs, if ye have wisdom."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/003.qmt.html#003.118

"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.073
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/066.qmt.html#066.009

"Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.101

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.216

"The believer who dies fighting in Allah's cause against the unbelievers, will go to the Gardens of Paradise. ISLAM is peace."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/004.qmt.html#004.120

Actually, that last Koran verse may be in error.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Phillip Junior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 66	*Re: ISLAM - does deception become self-deception???* Reply #1 - Nov 13^th, 2008 at 10:30pm You know what you have in common with Al Qaida? Both of you use verses out of any context to justify hate. So explain to me why one is fine and the other isn't?
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Reply #2 - Nov 14^th, 2008 at 9:55am

Phillip wrote on Nov 13^th, 2008 at 10:30pm:

You know what you have in common with Al Qaida? Both of you use verses out of any context to justify hate. So explain to me why one is fine and the other isn't?

Phillip,

I'm just stating the facts, as i see them.

I still have a right [of free speech] to do that, in a country like Australia.

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So explain to me why one is fine and the other isn't?

Phillip,

I don't want to gag, ppl like abu, Al Qaida, Sheik [cat meat] Hilali, or Osama Bin Liner.

I want them to speak candidly about their 'world view'.

......so that absolutely everyone can see what it is that they stand for.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: ISLAM - does deception become *self*-deception???
Reply #3 - Nov 14^th, 2008 at 10:25am

Yadda wrote on Nov 12^th, 2008 at 8:41am:

Within ISLAM - does deception become *self*-deception???

The answer seems to be a resounding 'WTF are you on?'

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41422 Gender:	*Re: ISLAM - does deception become self-deception???* Reply #4 - Nov 14^th, 2008 at 10:33am phillip - i guess a major difference between yadda and the muslim fanatics mentioned is that yadda won't kill infidels.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52833 At my desk.	*Re: ISLAM - does deception become self-deception???* Reply #5 - Nov 14^th, 2008 at 10:47am I thought I'd posted this here already: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1225960213/45#45
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Reply #6 - Nov 14^th, 2008 at 2:20pm

muso wrote on Nov 14^th, 2008 at 10:25am:

Yadda wrote on Nov 12^th, 2008 at 8:41am:

Within ISLAM - does deception become *self*-deception???

The answer seems to be a resounding 'WTF are you on?'

muso,

It is something in the local drinking water.

Perhaps i could bottle it, and sell it????

Cheesy

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #7 - Nov 20^th, 2008 at 9:25am

In my fist post on this thread, i asked,

"Within ISLAM - does deception become *self*-deception???"

Here, another example, [at this time] an alleged incident of a muslim fabricating a report of an assault upon herself, by a non-muslim.

Why would a muslim fabricate such a report?

Possible reasons:
1/ To evoke sympathy for muslims, and for the muslim community among non-muslims???
2/ Or perhaps [she is a latent Jihadist, and] she 'did it for Allah', in an effort to aid the Jihad against the kuffar [community]???

The result of all such fabricated incidents:

1/ The non-muslim community will feel guilty, for confronting ISLAM [and for thereby provoking attacks against muslims].
2/ Muslims are able to portray themselves, to the wider community, and within their own community, as victims of non-muslim aggression.
3/ A wider community 'environment' is fostered, where the belief in [a falsified] ISLAMIC 'victimhood' is perpetuated, and is given 'credibility'?
....[or at least, such 'perceptions' of muslim 'victimhood', is made more difficult for non-muslims to disprove!!]
4/ If such incidents are deemed credible [by muslims], actual incidents of retaliation against the ['wicked' and 'evil'] kuffar can be therefore justified among muslims.

[COMMENT on #4, my personal suspicion is that this is precisely the reason why ISLAMISTS would want to fabricate such incidents, of ISLAMIC 'victimhood'.
i.e. To 'motivate' members of the muslim community, who would feel they have a grievance against the non-muslims they live among.]

Indeed, a study of attitudes among muslims in the UK has revealed that many muslims believe that attacks such as this London bombing ARE justified by muslims [as 'defending' the muslim community].
.....as retaliation for non-muslim 'attacks' against muslims???
source of image...
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018326.php

Google,
Almost a quarter of UK Muslims believe 7/7 was justified
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=Almost+a+quarter+of+UK+Muslims+believe+7...

And these consequences, are being produced by falsehood, lies, and deception - a 'doctrine' encouraged within ISLAM, against non-muslims.

November 19, 2008
Illinois Muslim student pleads not guilty to fabricating hate-crime hoax
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023556.php

And as on commenter on the JW site has suggested, isn't it a reality, that such fabrications of ISLAMIC 'victimhood', are themselves REAL hate crimes [by muslims], being perpetrated against non-muslims?....

"Her fabricated hate crime is itself a hate crime against non-Muslims. That is her underlying intent, or at least of those who put her up to it--hatred of non-Muslim "kaffir." "
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/023556.php#c600023

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See also......

What Islam Isn't
By Dr. Petwider Hammond
April 21, 2008
The following is adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat:
"Islamization occurs when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their so-called 'religious rights.' "
[this article has a breakdown, and examples, of how muslims typically 'interact' within, and among non-muslim host communities, depending upon differing percentages of muslims living within those non-muslim host communities.]
http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=4DE15EF9-A76C-4DD4-81E2-756...

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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