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Reply #15 - Nov 5^th, 2008 at 1:45pm

This 13 year old girl was just another victim of ISLAM.

She was a 'sacrifice', to ISLAM's authority.

".....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
Sayyid Qutb
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,8802-2243871,00.html

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This 13 year old girl was a victim of TERROR, in the service of establishing the authority of ISLAM, Sharia.

From the Hadith.....

On the use of terror against Allah's enemies,

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies): spoils have been made lawful to me:"
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/004.smt.html#004.10...

"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand."
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/052.sbt.html#004.0...

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Job 19:25
For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:
26 And though after my skin worms destroy this body, yet in my flesh shall I see God:

Daniel 12:1
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41380 Gender:	Re: Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in stadium Reply #16 - Nov 5^th, 2008 at 5:37pm So Abu, did some of your fellow brothers do this citing the koran ?? maybe YOUR version of islam is wrong ?? Highly unlikely you would be able to logically reason with them
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jordan484 Gold Member Offline Genuine Aussie Posts: 1115	Re: Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in stadium Reply #17 - Nov 5^th, 2008 at 7:18pm Sooooooo......hypothetically, if a 13 year old girl was raped and there were 4 muslim male witnesses to the rape, would the girl be still stoned to death for adultery?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52824 At my desk.	Re: Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in stadium Reply #18 - Nov 5^th, 2008 at 9:53pm I think they would stone the rapist to death. In a nice orderly fashion of course. You would have to line up to throw a stone. Can't have any vigilantism.
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Re: Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in stadium
Reply #19 - Nov 6^th, 2008 at 10:35pm

jordan484 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2008 at 7:18pm:

Sooooooo......hypothetically, if a 13 year old girl was raped and there were 4 muslim male witnesses to the rape, would the girl be still stoned to death for adultery?

no- women are not punished for being raped in islam

if 4 men witnessed a woman being raped then the rapist would be punished

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41380 Gender:	Re: Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in stadium Reply #20 - Nov 6^th, 2008 at 10:44pm tell that to the victims of islam
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in stadium Reply #21 - Nov 6^th, 2008 at 11:03pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2008 at 10:44pm: tell that to the victims of islam victims of muslims you mean
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41380 Gender:	Re: Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in stadium Reply #22 - Nov 6^th, 2008 at 11:16pm victims of muslims that strictly follow the koran and stone girls as a logical result
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in stadium Reply #23 - Nov 6^th, 2008 at 11:25pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2008 at 11:16pm: victims of muslims that strictly follow the koran and stone girls as a logical result the quran does not permit the stoning of rape victims
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41380 Gender:	Re: Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in stadium Reply #24 - Nov 6^th, 2008 at 11:32pm tell that to the victims of islam
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Gaybriel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191	Re: Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in stadium Reply #25 - Nov 6^th, 2008 at 11:41pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2008 at 11:32pm: tell that to the victims of islam and here we go again you confuse islam with the muslims who practise it
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 41380 Gender:	Re: Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in stadium Reply #26 - Nov 6^th, 2008 at 11:47pm here we go again. blaming a silly infidel for misunderstanding what muslims do in a muslim country while citing the koran. maybe it is different if i speak arabic or swahili or ancient greek fluently. Nah, not to this girl. or the last one or the next one.
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Re: Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in stadium
Reply #27 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 12:01am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2008 at 11:47pm:

here we go again.

blaming a silly infidel for misunderstanding what muslims do in a muslim country while citing the koran.

maybe it is different if i speak arabic or swahili or ancient greek fluently.

Nah, not to this girl. or the last one or the next one.

infidel?!

do you think I'm muslim?!

I didn't say you were misunderstanding what you they were doing- but that you are confusing islam with the actions of muslims

an analogy- we could go with christians and christianity- the two do not always correlate, right? even if they are quoting the bible?

I am not trying to deflect away from islam in saying this- but rather trying to provide an a comparison point to shed some light

what were these muslims quoting from the quran btw? they mustn't have been quoting the part that says no woman is to be punished for rape- do you see what I mean?

if Islam forbids such an action- then muslims perform the forbidden act- is this a reflection of islam? or of the fallibility of humans?

Islam forbids drinking- if a muslim drinks is this a reflection of Islam?

Islam forbids sex before marriage- if a muslim has sex before marriage is this a reflection of Islam?

or do these things go against the teachings of Islam?

again- if you want to damn the actions of these muslims- go for gold. but the distinction between islam and muslims is an important one

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Re: Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in stadium
Reply #28 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 12:12am

No, I don't think you are a muslim, as I have said before.
I am an infidel. It is immaterial what you are.

No, of course some christians sin. Other christians criticise them for such - as they should.
show me the quotes from the NT that support such crimes.
I can show PLENTY from the koran that support all sorts of abhorrant behaviour.

those muslims were saying she should be stoned for infidelity.
When in fact she was raped, but under an ISLAM system became a victim.
It shows a FLAW in islam - do YOU see what I mean ??

Do you know the example Jesus set for a woman charged with infidelity ?
It's light years from islam.

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Re: Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in stadium
Reply #29 - Nov 7^th, 2008 at 12:21am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 12:12am:

No, of course some christians sin. Other christians criticise them for such - as they should
show me the quotes from the NT that support such crimes.
I can show PLENTY from the koran that support all sorts of abhorrant behaviour.

those muslims were saying she should be stoned for infidelity.
When in fact she was raped, but under an ISLAM system became a victim.
It shows a FLAW in islam - do YOU see what I mean ??

yes I see what you mean. but I disagree that it is a flaw in islam- I see it as a flaw in muslims. because she was not convicted via an islamic process. was there a trial? did it follow shariah? were 4 separate witnesses provided to say she committed adultery? isn't adultery cheating on your husband/wife? was she married?

were other burdens of proof met? even if 4 witnesses were produced, the person accused still has ways to prove their innocence. I think this may be as simple as taking a solemn oath that the accusation against them is false. but I'm not 100% about that

so as you can see- there was nothing islamic about what happened.

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