mozzaok wrote on Nov 1
st, 2008 at 9:10pm:
Religion it seems is not too different to an erect penis, [is] capable of making the wisest man, act like a fool.
mozzaok,
Yes indeed.
It would seem all human beings have a propensity for vanity, and foolish actions.
And it seems pleasure, and particularly the pleasure which the sex act can arouse, is a 'catch-all' for all mankind.
[er, .....esp men??? ......the expression 'dumb stick' comes to mind.]
King David in the Bible was [supposedly] a devout man, a man of God, and yet King David 'took' Bathsheba [another mans wife].
I imagine that David's lust for Bathsheba, was the motive?
Not only did King David 'take' Bathsheba, he effectively had Uriah [Bathsheba's husband] murdered, after he had already wronged Uriah, in his lust for Uriah's wife.
2 Samuel 11:14
And it came to pass in the morning, that David wrote a letter to Joab, and sent it by the hand of Uriah.
15 And he wrote in the letter, saying, Set ye Uriah in the forefront of the hottest battle, and retire ye from him, THAT HE MAY BE SMITTEN, AND DIE.
Q.
How could King David come to commit such a low act?
Q.
If such a notable person as King David could commit such an act, are any of us 'safe', from our own lusts, er, foolishness?
We all know in our hearts, what is right and what is wrong, what is good and what is evil.
[i.e. we all know in our hearts what 'The Golden Rule' is, and what its significance is, for us all,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocity ]
But yet, when given a choice,
we will often choose the act[ion] which will give ourselves the most PLEASURE -
irrespective of whether that action is right or wrong.
Nothing strange in this.
It is in our nature, and in our genes, as the stain on Monica Lewinsky's dress can attest.
I think it would be fair to say that every one of us has acted selfishly, at some time, if we are honest.
I certainly have done things myself, which i am not proud of.
.....[It is no use asking, coz i won't tell!]
GOOD AND EVIL - and God's 'joke' on us?
PROPOSITION #1
If there no God, then good and evil are meaningless concepts, except as they are defined by society, and ourselves.
Logically, [if we can ignore, evade, societies rules] we ourselves [within our own 'sphere of influence'] can become the absolute arbiters of what is good and evil.
So that which gives us pleasure, and materially enriches us [so as to enable us to gain yet more pleasure], IS GOOD.
And whatever stands in the way of us obtaining pleasure, logically, HAS TO BE BAD, AND 'EVIL'.
So if it feels good, do it!
After all, life is short, and it is a jungle out there.
And feelings of 'guilt', are illogical, as they do not *serve* us, in the delivery of those things which give us pleasure.
.....perhaps the 'guilt' i feel is just an evolutionary short circuit in our human neuro-circuitry??
.....[Pssss't, anyone got an anti-depressant??]
So logically, why shouldn't i do whatever will give me the most pleasure in this life??
PROPOSITION #2
If there is a God, doesn't it seem very cruel of God to give each of us, an understanding of what is good and evil, and to then to also introduce physical pleasure into that equation?
If there is a God,
.....why would he do such a [kill joy kinda] thing?
May i suggest, God made us this way [with an understanding of what is good and evil], not because he is cruel.
But, because he wants us [his spirit children] to come to understand, that our choices have consequences!!
God certainly knows that we will make mistakes, and some bad choices in life.
But surely, an important question that presents itself is,
.....Are we smart enough, in our lives here, to stop repeating the same mistakes and bad choices?
Have you ever heard the expression,
....
"Be good, for goodness sake!!"Have you ever thought about the concept of choice [free will]?
Choice is a mental power, a thought power, ....a spiritual power.
Here, in this 'reality', here on this little planet, our choices have no form, until we express them physically!
I believe that the purpose of us being here, is to learn the consequences [and the seriousness], of expressing our choices.
In the larger scheme of things, very choice we make, has a consequence.
....i.e. a 'butterfly effect'.
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We are spirit [i believe], but we are the prisoners of the earth.
In Hebrew Adamah means earth.
Adam.
This world is a test, a fire, with our 'substance' contained within a 'crucible'.
Certainly we will make mistakes, and bad choices.
The 'way out' is reached, when we acknowledge the mistakes we have made, and accept God's righteousness,
and his mercy.
Seek those things which are from above.
....LOVE and TRUTH.
Alternatively you could keep doing what you are doing.
....seek those things which give the most physical pleasure.
You choose.
Jeremiah 9:24
But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
.....For in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
.....LOVINGKINDNESS, JUDGMENT, and RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Psalms 69:32
The humble shall see this, and be glad:
and your heart shall live that seek God.
33 For the LORD heareth the poor, and despiseth not his prisoners.
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