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Reply #45 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 3:55pm

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Again, this isn't about blame, as you always seem to claim. It's about somebody's actions causing a response in others. They must take responsibility for the actions that've caused this response.

This is entirely about blame. You use it as an excuse for muslims to carry out violent behaviour towards anyone. When do muslims take control and responsibility for their own actions? Muslims have a choice about how to respond, and at this point they respond poorly and it is never justified. You are an excuse maker. And going on your logic, this sort of behaviour will never end, because those who have been wronged by muslims (because they were wronged by someone else) are now entitled to wrong muslims....etc, etc, etc. When does it end? It ends when muslims take responsibility for their own actions, regardless of what may have happened in the past. Can the victims of the bali bombings now go kill a few muslims because of what has happened to them? Is that right or justified? Would you defend their actions based on your own logic?

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Reply #46 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 4:01pm

When do muslims take control and responsibility for their own actions? Muslims have a choice about how to respond, and at this point they respond poorly and it is never justified.

Good point Jordan. This is where the chain of causation breaks. This is why, when Abu claims that the US caused the Bali bombings, he is effectively blaming them for it and justifying the bombings. It makes the choice of violence and terrorism by Muslims inevitable. Maybe it is inevitable, given the reluctance by even 'relatively' moderate' Muslims to reign in terrorists or take responsibility until they get what they want from the west. Abu even said it is inevitable. Yet he still hasn't answered the most important question - if terrorism from Muslims is inevitable, what is the rational response?

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Reply #47 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 7:27pm

freediver,

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This is why, when Abu claims that the US caused the Bali bombings

Please stick with the facts. I said they created them (ie. the movements, the ideology), by both their interference and outright support of tyranny and terrorism against Muslims, and by their actual funding of and arming of those groups who are central to the movements.

Nowhere did I state they caused the Bali bombing.

You can either return to debating what's been said, or you can continue on, solo, debating your own strawman.

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abu_rashid Gold Member Offline Aussie Muslim Posts: 8353	Re: Bali-Ignorant-Muslim-Murderers-Incite-Hatred Reply #48 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 7:29pm Quote: Yet he still hasn't answered the most important question - if terrorism from Muslims is inevitable, what is the rational response? You already answered it, so no need for me to. You said the West will have to kill a lot more civilians...
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Reply #49 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 8:12pm

jordan484 wrote on Nov 10^th, 2008 at 3:55pm:

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Again, this isn't about blame, as you always seem to claim. It's about somebody's actions causing a response in others. They must take responsibility for the actions that've caused this response.

This is entirely about blame. You use it as an excuse for muslims to carry out violent behaviour towards anyone. When do muslims take control and responsibility for their own actions? Muslims have a choice about how to respond, and at this point they respond poorly and it is never justified. You are an excuse maker. And going on your logic, this sort of behaviour will never end, because those who have been wronged by muslims (because they were wronged by someone else) are now entitled to wrong muslims....etc, etc, etc. When does it end? It ends when muslims take responsibility for their own actions, regardless of what may have happened in the past. Can the victims of the bali bombings now go kill a few muslims because of what has happened to them? Is that right or justified? Would you defend their actions based on your own logic?

When will you take responsibility for the attrocities and murders committed by your governments in your name?

Oh thats right, never. Cause deep inside you not only support the murder of innocent civilians....you actually encourage it. Your a hypocrite of the highest order Jordan.

You expect others to do what you are unwilling to do yourself. When your fellow pigs cheered over the deaths of innocent children...where was your objection? oh thats right...you actaully defended them, and you have the nerve to ask for us to take responsibility.

How bout you take responsiblity for your actions (or lack of). I have never read any of your post objecting to the deaths of innocent civilians committed by those representing YOU. Why is that. Just yesterday scored of innocent civlians were killed by yet another 'accidental' attack by the US. Where's your outrage? Where's your accepting of this responsibility. You demand others to accept responsibity, yet you are unwilling to do so yourself. Have you ever heard of the pot calling the kettle black?

How bout you stop being such a hypocrite for starters....a small start, but a start nonetheless.

You asked the following questions...

"Can the victims of the bali bombings now go kill a few muslims because of what has happened to them? Is that right or justified? Would you defend their actions based on your own logic? "

The irony of this is that if the victims of the bali bombing did go and kill muslims, I have no doubt whatsoever that you would be the first to defend their actions.

Fact is, not one muslim here as ever defended the murder of innocent civilians, or attempted to justify it. We have continuously condemned this as un-islamic...and I challenge you to find one post that says otherwise. You and your brainwashed bigot crew on the other hand, have cheered the deaths of children, defended your rights to do so (freedom of speech), and continously excused the murders of thousands upon thousands of innocent civilians, committed by western govt's and armies invading muslim lands, by any means you can find. 'Collateral damage', 'accident', 'extremists fault', 'its war'...I've heard it all....your nothing but an apologist for state sponsored terrorism.....yet when its done by your governments, against innocent muslims, you are silent, cause lets be honest...you believe the only good muslim is a dead one, and your posts have been reflective of that.

Take a good look in the mirror Jordan. Your just as 'extreme' as those you hate.

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Reply #50 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 8:50pm

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When will you take responsibility for the attrocities and murders committed by your governments in your name?

I am an Australian national. I have only one government. I'm not aware of any government doing anything specific in my name, particularly murder.

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Cause deep inside you not only support the murder of innocent civilians....you actually encourage it.

Wrong, I have never encouraged anything of the sort.

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When your fellow pigs cheered over the deaths of innocent children...where was your objection? oh thats right...you actaully defended them,

I did?

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I have never read any of your post objecting to the deaths of innocent civilians committed by those representing YOU.

No one represents me. If innocent civilians are killed, I always object.

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Why is that. Just yesterday scored of innocent civlians were killed by yet another 'accidental' attack by the US. Where's your outrage?

I am not American. I am not represented by the US government.

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Have you ever heard of the pot calling the kettle black?

Yes. Have you?

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How bout you stop being such a hypocrite for starters

Likewise

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The irony of this is that if the victims of the bali bombing did go and kill muslims, I have no doubt whatsoever that you would be the first to defend their actions.

Wrong. I don't defend Islamic style payback.
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You and your brainwashed bigot crew on the other hand, have cheered the deaths of children

Wrong. And I don't have a "crew".

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.your nothing but an apologist for state sponsored terrorism.....yet when its done by your governments,

I don't apologise for any of that nonsense, and again, I don't have governments.

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.you believe the only good muslim is a dead one, and your posts have been reflective of that.

Wrong again...... Although you are starting to make me think what you assume may not be all that wrong.

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Take a good look in the mirror Jordan. Your just as 'extreme' as those you hate.

Hell would freeze over before I took your advice.

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Re: Bali-Ignorant-Muslim-Murderers-Incite-Hatred
Reply #51 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 9:29pm

Why bother with lestat?

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He rants and raves and is full of bile. there are no facts just ignorance.

Why bother with him at all?

Murder is planes into buildings or blowing up cafes, nightclubs, buses trains. War is an army invading another country. There are differences. As for government doing our bidding... there were just as many Australians against the war in Iraq as those for it if not more... so the usual anti-West rant etc is as usual pathetic. And wrong.

The only people I see backing the killing of innocent civilians are the muslim terrorists and their supporters.

No Australians have targetted Muslims for death particularly "innocent" Muslims, same can't be said of all Muslims though now can it.

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Reply #52 - Nov 10^th, 2008 at 10:03pm

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Please stick with the facts. I said they created them (ie. the movements, the ideology), by both their interference and outright support of tyranny and terrorism against Muslims, and by their actual funding of and arming of those groups who are central to the movements.

That was all about the middle east Abu. You still haven't explained what it has to do with Amrozi, other than the fact that he is Muslim so it is to be expected he will bomb westerners because some other Muslims on the other side of the world have a grievance.

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You already answered it, so no need for me to.

You said the West will have to kill a lot more civilians...

Actually, I was hoping the rational response would be for Muslims to riegn in their own extremists, so that that can be avoided. Don't you think that is rational? Have I not indicated that would be a preferable solution? Why is this such a difficult concept? There are two choices - either Muslims reign in Muslim extremists or someone else sends in an army to do it for them. You seem to under some odd illusion that there is a third choice of doing nothing while lunatics run round planting bombs.

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When your fellow pigs cheered over the deaths of innocent children...where was your objection?

You think we are police? Or is pig some Islamic slang for Dhimmi?

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The irony of this is that if the victims of the bali bombing did go and kill muslims, I have no doubt whatsoever that you would be the first to defend their actions

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This is pure projection Les.

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Cause deep inside you not only support the murder of innocent civilians....you actually encourage it. Your a hypocrite of the highest order Jordan.

Is this more projection? Is it because he is a Dhimmi that you can claim to know what he is really thinking?

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Fact is, not one muslim here as ever defended the murder of innocent civilians, or attempted to justify it.

That's right. They only try to justify the Muslim community not lifting a finger to actually stop it. That way they can have their cake and eat it to. They get to look down upon the Dhimmi and upon the extremist Muslim who murders them.

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Reply #53 - Nov 11^th, 2008 at 8:41am

Grendel wrote on Nov 10^th, 2008 at 9:29pm:

Why bother with lestat?
The words "complete moron" come up everytime I read a post of his.

He rants and raves and is full of bile. there are no facts just ignorance.

Why bother with him at all?

Murder is planes into buildings or blowing up cafes, nightclubs, buses trains. War is an army invading another country. There are differences. As for government doing our bidding... there were just as many Australians against the war in Iraq as those for it if not more... so the usual anti-West rant etc is as usual pathetic. And wrong.

The only people I see backing the killing of innocent civilians are the muslim terrorists and their supporters.

No Australians have targetted Muslims for death particularly "innocent" Muslims, same can't be said of all Muslims though now can it.

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Reply #54 - Nov 11^th, 2008 at 9:18am

abu_rashid wrote on Nov 10^th, 2008 at 7:27pm:

freediver,

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This is why, when Abu claims that the US caused the Bali bombings

Please stick with the facts. I said they created them (ie. the movements, the ideology), by both their interference and outright support of tyranny and terrorism against Muslims, and by their actual funding of and arming of those groups who are central to the movements.

Nowhere did I state they caused the Bali bombing.

You can either return to debating what's been said, or you can continue on, solo, debating your own strawman.

abu, yes, maybe the west did create the movements. Maybe they did this in the 80s when the CIA was helping bin Laden and co in Afghanistan. Maybe the Muslims are unaware they are doing exactly what it is that the west wants them to do, and are completely under the control of 'great satan'.

I've heard that a lot of Muslims say that Mossad and the CIA planted some of the bombs in Bali, but some of them JI take responsibility for. Maybe Mossad/CIA are controlling JI/AQ and working with them to work against them, using them for their own ends.

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Reply #55 - Nov 11^th, 2008 at 9:21am

Grendel wrote on Nov 10^th, 2008 at 9:29pm:

Why bother with lestat?

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He rants and raves and is full of bile. there are no facts just ignorance.

Why bother with him at all?

Murder is planes into buildings or blowing up cafes, nightclubs, buses trains. War is an army invading another country. There are differences. As for government doing our bidding... there were just as many Australians against the war in Iraq as those for it if not more... so the usual anti-West rant etc is as usual pathetic. And wrong.

The only people I see backing the killing of innocent civilians are the muslim terrorists and their supporters.

No Australians have targetted Muslims for death particularly "innocent" Muslims, same can't be said of all Muslims though now can it.

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Grendel, war isn't necessarily invasions. It definately isn't the targetting of civillians though.

War can be insurgency.

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Reply #56 - Nov 11^th, 2008 at 9:57am

[quote author=midnightcowboy link=1225489535/45#56 date=1226359308]

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War isn't the targetting of civilians?
Ever heard of Dresden

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? I'll give you a clue...WW2, targetting of civilians. So WW2 and the bombing of Dresden wasn't war now was it.

Thanks for sharing this pearl of wisdom with us. Any other fairy tales you'd like to share.

Ahh..gotta love it when

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Reply #57 - Nov 11^th, 2008 at 10:01am

Lestat wrote on Nov 11^th, 2008 at 9:57am:

easel wrote on Nov 11^th, 2008 at 9:21am:

Grendel wrote on Nov 10^th, 2008 at 9:29pm:

Why bother with lestat?
The words "complete moron" come up everytime I read a post of his.

He rants and raves and is full of bile. there are no facts just ignorance.

Why bother with him at all?

Murder is planes into buildings or blowing up cafes, nightclubs, buses trains. War is an army invading another country. There are differences. As for government doing our bidding... there were just as many Australians against the war in Iraq as those for it if not more... so the usual anti-West rant etc is as usual pathetic. And wrong.

The only people I see backing the killing of innocent civilians are the muslim terrorists and their supporters.

No Australians have targetted Muslims for death particularly "innocent" Muslims, same can't be said of all Muslims though now can it.

Yes, Lestat is a tool, we all know.

Grendel, war isn't necessarily invasions. It definately isn't the targetting of civillians though.

War can be insurgency.

lol..another stupid ridiculous statement from weasel. The amount of ignorance and naivity displayed on this forum by some posters is staggering.

Really, I feel like I'm debating with a bunch of feral kids.

War isn't the targetting of civilians?
Ever heard of Dresden dumbo? I'll give you a clue...WW2, targetting of civilians. So WW2 and the bombing of Dresden wasn't war now was it.

Thanks for sharing this pearl of wisdom with us. Any other fairy tales you'd like to share.

Ahh..gotta love it when dip sh(ts pretend they actually know something, and end up looking rather foolish. Not sure why you bother weasel.

War CRIMES Lestat. War CRIMES.

I'll cease communicating with you for this month.

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I will continue to comment on you though. Look forward to your correspondence again in December.

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Reply #58 - Nov 11^th, 2008 at 10:09am

easel wrote on Nov 11^th, 2008 at 10:01am:

Lestat wrote on Nov 11^th, 2008 at 9:57am:

easel wrote on Nov 11^th, 2008 at 9:21am:

Grendel wrote on Nov 10^th, 2008 at 9:29pm:

Why bother with lestat?
The words "complete moron" come up everytime I read a post of his.

He rants and raves and is full of bile. there are no facts just ignorance.

Why bother with him at all?

Murder is planes into buildings or blowing up cafes, nightclubs, buses trains. War is an army invading another country. There are differences. As for government doing our bidding... there were just as many Australians against the war in Iraq as those for it if not more... so the usual anti-West rant etc is as usual pathetic. And wrong.

The only people I see backing the killing of innocent civilians are the muslim terrorists and their supporters.

No Australians have targetted Muslims for death particularly "innocent" Muslims, same can't be said of all Muslims though now can it.

Yes, Lestat is a tool, we all know.

Grendel, war isn't necessarily invasions. It definately isn't the targetting of civillians though.

War can be insurgency.

lol..another stupid ridiculous statement from weasel. The amount of ignorance and naivity displayed on this forum by some posters is staggering.

Really, I feel like I'm debating with a bunch of feral kids.

War isn't the targetting of civilians?
Ever heard of Dresden dumbo? I'll give you a clue...WW2, targetting of civilians. So WW2 and the bombing of Dresden wasn't war now was it.

Thanks for sharing this pearl of wisdom with us. Any other fairy tales you'd like to share.

Ahh..gotta love it when dip sh(ts pretend they actually know something, and end up looking rather foolish. Not sure why you bother weasel.

War CRIMES Lestat. War CRIMES.

I'll cease communicating with you for this month. Don't want to lose too many more IQ points, might end up being as smart as you. I will continue to comment on you though. Look forward to your correspondence again in December.

Oh, silly me. I must of missed all those charged with war crimes for the Dresden bombing.

Tell me once again, who were they. War crimes you say? So who exactly was charged with war crimes for Dresden. Thats right, no one.

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Reply #59 - Nov 11^th, 2008 at 10:12am

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Oh, silly me. I must of missed all those charged with war crimes for the Dresden bombing.

Tell me once again, who were they. War crimes you say? So who exactly was charged with war crimes for Dresden. Thats right, no one.

If you lose anymore IQ points weasel, you'll be in single figures. So yes, perhaps you should abstain for a while.

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winners of the wars never punish themselves, they're just bad guys who like to loot and plunder.

The Muslims can have him. Makes it easier for us that way.

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