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Nov 1st, 2008 at 7:45am
 
You, the little people, will be easy to 'smack down'
Richard Macey
November 1, 2008

ON THE eve of their executions, the Bali bombers have called for revenge against the West and have warned the US to expect defeat.

In separate letters on October 22, and posted on an Islamic website, Amrozi, Mukhlas and Imam Samudra have urged Muslims to attack non-believers.

Amrozi declared in his letter that every "fellow Muslim" needed to raise his hands "to offend the infidels and Thagut [non-believers] that wronged the Muslim, by cutting their necks [beheading]".

This, he warned, would be the only way to stop "their cruelty to us".

Samudra directed his letter to people in the West, suggesting they should not be surprised "if America, the so-called superpower, is beaten, almost dying," and it would lose "the war against the mujahideen".

"You, the little people, will be easy to 'smack down' by the mujahideen."

"You will be defeated in this world and will be taken to hell."


"Who doesn't know that the toothless giant, the US infidel and their allies, are now dying.

How can it be, Andi Matalata [Indonesia's Human Rights and Law Minister] … and all the judges from Bali do not understand this? Don't understand that America is 'klepek-klepek' [a slang word used to describe the death throes of an animal as it is slaughtered].

"You think, if you execute the three of us, you can walk freely, there's no way."

Attacking corruption in Indonesia he wrote "you even have to pay if you want to be a civil servant, even bribe … so there's no way, man. Nothing is free. You can probably decide on the execution as ordered by your bosses but … ahem! The answer is, 'what you see' not 'what you hear'.

He completed his letter by writing, in large print, "Remember: there's not one free Muslim blood drop!"

The ABC reported the International Crisis Group's terrorism expert, Sidney Jones, as saying she was amazed that the bombers were still able to incite violence from their cells.

"I just think that if there's an increase in the security threat as the result of the executions, the Government is at least in part to blame for allowing these three men access to the media over and over and over again."

The mother of two of the Bali bombers says her sons were right to "kill infidels".

Seventy-year-old Tariem was speaking in Tenggulun, East Java.

"I don't cry. I leave it all to God," she said as Amrozi and Mukhlas, two of her 13 children, waited for the firing squad.

"I feel that killing infidels isn't a mistake because they don't pray."

with AFP
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Reply #1 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 7:47am
 
13 children brought up with a mother that ignorant and with that mindset...  foolish to think she is in the "minority" in Indonesia.
In such a large population even minority support is a very large number.
How many more?  
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Reply #2 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 7:50am
 
Pilgrim site planned for Bali bombers
Tom Allard Indonesia Correspondent
October 20, 2008

A WEALTHY supporter of the Bali bombers wants to create a jihadi cemetery for the three men and other "holy warriors".

Cecep Hermawan, a businessman and activist in Indonesia's radical Islamist movement, says he wants it to become a site where "pilgrims" can pay their respects to "those who fought for the existence of Islamic sharia, those that paid with their life". He has offered a hectare of land in the city of Cianjur, West Java.

He has discussed the proposal with the bombers on death row - who killed 202 people, including 88 Australians, when they bombed Bali's tourist strip six years ago - during his regular visits to them.

"The families said they are OK with that. Their only complaint is about the distance, especially for the families of Amrozi and Mukhlas because they live in East Java. The family of Imam Samudra has no problem as it is not far from their home town."

The families of the Bali bombers are fielding requests from Indonesian Islamists who want to bury their bodies together. Achmad Cholid, the lawyer for the Bali bombers, said Mr Hermawan was only one of about five people wanting to fund a joint burial plot. Mr Cholid said the bombers and their families would wait until they knew the time of the execution before deciding which, if any, offer to accept.

Last week, a spokesman for Indonesia's Attorney-General, Hendarman Supandji, said he would announce the time and date of the execution on Friday. Under Indonesian regulations, he can do this only after death by firing squad has taken place.

That prompted widespread reporting that the executions were imminent but Mr Supandji later clarified those remarks, saying he would only foreshadow the month of the executions. He said they would occur this year and rejected suggestions that the killings were being repeatedly delayed for political reasons.

The Bali bombers have warned of a violent backlash if they are put to death.

A clear majority of Indonesians have no sympathy for the men. Even so, in a mainly Muslim country of more than 220 million people there is a significant fringe who regard them as slightly misguided heroes and accept the conspiracy theories that the murders were a CIA plot.

Gayle Dunn, whose 18-year-old son was killed in the attack, said the proposed shrine was inappropriate. She was not hopeful of the Australian Government's ability to intervene but hoped it would object. "I think something should be done to stop it," she said. "It sends a message to everybody that says it's OK."

Yvonne Iliffe, who also lost a son in the attack, said she was beyond caring whether the bombers were celebrated in death.

"It's just been six long years of one thing after the other," she said. "The day that I wake up and they're dead, I will be happy. They can build the biggest shrine they like and I wouldn't care."
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Reply #3 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 7:56am
 
Indonesian cleric blames CIA for Bali bombing
October 17, 2008

An Indonesian Islamic cleric linked to the three extremists awaiting execution for the Bali bombings said today the 2002 attack which killed more than 200 people, including 88 Australians, was the work of the CIA.


Abu Bakar Bashir told AFP the US intelligence agency had fired a nuclear missile at the Bali tourist strip from a ship off the coast.

"It has been mentioned as being a micro-nuclear bomb, not a regular bomb... The bomb was made by the CIA, it could be no one else," he said in his house at the Al-Mukmin Islamic boarding school on Indonesia's Java island.

He said the attack was a conspiracy between "America, Australia and the Jews" and the three convicted bombers -- Amrozi, Imam Samudra and Ali Ghufron -- had been framed.

"The bomb Amrozi set off, the first one, at most it shattered glass and didn't wound people, or at most wounded them a little," he said, sitting on the floor and wearing the white clothes and skullcap of a religious man.

Amrozi had been "used by the CIA in coordination with America, Australia and the Jews. The police and the prosecutors aren't brave enough to prove it."

The coordinated October 12, 2002 bomb attacks ripped through packed nightspots on the holiday island's main tourist strip and killed 202 people, mostly foreign visitors including 88 Australians.

Radical Islamist preacher Bashir, aged around 70, served almost 26 months for conspiracy over the attacks before being cleared and released in 2006.

He had been accused of providing spiritual leadership to the Jemaah Islamiyah regional terror group, a claim he denies.

His comments come amid speculation the government is preparing to execute the three bombers by firing squad next week, in line with their 2003 convictions.

The executions have been put off by a series of failed appeals and most recently by the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, raising questions about the government's willingness to kill the men ahead of elections in April.

More than 90 per cent of Indonesia's 234 million people are Muslims, but most follow a more moderate version of Islam.

Dismissing Indonesia's Islamic groups as "Jewish organisations", he said he would split from the Indonesian Council of Mujahedin which he had led and form a new group to push for pure Islamic law.


He said he would launch the new group, Jemaah Ansharut Tauhid ("partisans of the oneness of God"), on October 25.

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Reply #4 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 7:57am
 
Just another Islamic CLERIC passing on his ignorance to all his followers...  just what the world needs.

What are other Muslims doing about it? It would seem absolutely nothing.
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Reply #5 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 8:12am
 
Bombs uncovered in Indonesia: police
October 31, 2008 - 10:19PM

Bombs suspected to have been set up for a retaliation attack over the execution of the Bali bombers have been uncovered in a restive Indonesian region, police said.

Two bombs were found on Wednesday and Thursday in Poso, which lies in Central Sulawesi, in areas popular with migrants from the Hindu-majority island of Bali, local police chief Suparni Parto told AFP.

"I think there is a connection between this and the execution of Amrozi and others," Parto said, referring to the three death-row bombers - Amrozi, Mukhlas and Imam Samudra - who are set to be executed as early as Saturday.

Parto refused to specify which group was suspected to be behind the bombs but said there had been protests by Islamist extremists in the region threatening retaliation for the executions.

Around 1,500 police and military personnel have been deployed in Poso to guard against violence in the wake of the executions, Parto said.

The three bombers are awaiting the firing squad over the 2002 bombings of tourist nightspots on Bali that killed 202 people, mainly foreign holidaymakers including 88 Australians.

About 1,000 people were killed in violence between Muslims and Christians in Poso and the surrounding district in 2000-2001.

In 2005 Islamic militants were widely condemned after beheading three teenage Christian schoolgirls in Poso and low-level tensions continue to simmer in the region.

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Reply #6 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 8:33am
 
Unbelievable excerpts...

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Students at the Islamic school where Fauzi teaches Koranic studies said they were banned from reading newspapers or watching television.

But they were hungry for news.

"I feel sad that they're being executed because they're Muslims like me, so I sympathise with them," said 20-year-old student Mohammad.

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Looking relaxed and beaming broadly like his older brother Amrozi, known as the "smiling assassin" for the grin he sported throughout his trial, Fauzi said the family had nothing to be ashamed about.

"Do we feel embarrassed or ashamed of what they have done? No, we feel proud because in this world full of lies and accusations there are still people who are ready to fight against that," he said.

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None of the bombers' relatives here expressed regret for the carnage unleashed on October 12, 2002, when bombs tore through packed
tourist nightspots on the resort island of Bali.


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THE mother of two of the Bali bombers on death row says her sons were right to "kill infidels", as they prepare to face firing squads over the attacks which killed 202 people.

"I feel that killing infidels isn't a mistake because they don't pray," she said as she sat on the stone floor of the family home surrounded by Amrozi's children and wife.
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Reply #7 - Nov 1st, 2008 at 10:28am
 

any comment Abu ?
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Reply #8 - Nov 2nd, 2008 at 12:20am
 
Ignorance is bliss sprint...  or whatever they call it in Islam.
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Reply #9 - Nov 2nd, 2008 at 1:40am
 

or denial, of covering over, or lying
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Reply #10 - Nov 2nd, 2008 at 6:24am
 
Do most muslims feel it's ok to fill us because we "don't pray"? Or is this woman just crazy?
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Reply #11 - Nov 8th, 2008 at 2:13pm
 
I'll throw this out there to gaybriel as well, since abu is very picky about what questions he chooses to answer.
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Reply #12 - Nov 8th, 2008 at 8:59pm
 
jordan484 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2008 at 6:24am:
Do most muslims feel it's ok to fill us because we "don't pray"? Or is this woman just crazy?


as you've asked me to answer I will.

of course my answer can only be based upon muslims I know, have spoken, have read about or have read things by- in those cases, the answer is no, that is not acceptable in any way.

anyway- that woman's statement is complete bull twaddle- just because people aren't muslim doesn't mean they don't pray. blugh. even if someone doesn't belong to a religion at all- they may still pray.
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Reply #13 - Nov 8th, 2008 at 9:04pm
 

This idea has no Islamic basis.

There's nothing in Islam about infidels not praying, and this being a reason to mistreat them.

I'm quite sure this answer will not suffice though, and you'll no doubt have to resort to some other vitriolic argument, but anyway I tried...
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Reply #14 - Nov 8th, 2008 at 9:09pm
 
Well you need to get a hold of the Muslims teaching this rot and disabuse them don't you.  They are misrepresenting your religion and teaching your fellow Muslims rot.
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